Be careful. This tough (cough) guy likes RP.
Posted on 11/15/2007 7:50:21 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder
Frontal Assault on Freedom: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar Posted by BJT on Nov 15, 2007 Read this email closely. I just got it this morning. Those of you who consider the gold standard a quaint anachronism, pay extra close attention. If Ron Paul supporters, gold standard advocates and the Liberty Dollar were nothing but harmless kooks, why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD, yes, but they never, but never make the claim that it is legal tender or anything other than what it is: private currency. And private currencies are numerous in the USA.
No. This raid happened because the Liberty Dollar, the second most popular currency in the country, threatens to usurp the entrenched power of the Fed’s Almighty Dollar. People can see the buying power of the greenback eroding, and they will choose something else if it is available, and the Liberty Dollar is ready and waiting. And that’s why the government must resort to force in order to protect its stranglehold on the economy.
From Liberty Dollar Headquarters: Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.
For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.
We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.
But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.
This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.
The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.
I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.
Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.
Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.
Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!
If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php
Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.
Bernard von NotHaus
Mexican Pesos are being accepted in Texas stores.....why not Liberty Dollars? Does freedom in clude “real” currency backed by gold and silver or not?
That is precisely what he is claiming.
From the libertydollar.org homepage:
Plus the Liberty Dollar is easy for merchants and customers use because it functions dollar-for-dollar with the US dollar as its "unit of account" is exactly the same.
You’ll love this one.
http://nestmannblog.sovereignsociety.com/2007/11/feds-shut-down-.html
“There is little question that the production, sale, and possession of Liberty Dollars are legal. Indeed, in 1999, the Treasury Department’s legal team reviewed the Liberty Dollar. Claudia Dickens, spokeswoman for the U.S. Treasury Department’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing, said:
“There’s nothing illegal about this. As long as it doesn’t say legal tender there’s nothing wrong with it.”
That, apparently, is the rub. “Legal tender,” in essence, means that a particular form of money must be accepted for all debts.
NORFED has never claimed that Liberty Dollars are legal tender. However, in recent years, the company built up a network of “Liberty merchants” who accept Liberty Dollars in exchange for goods and services. And since the U.S. Department of Justice says that federal legal tender laws prohibit the use of privately circulated gold or silver coins intended for use as money, that may have been what led to today’s raid on NORFED.
Pursuant to U.S. civil forfeiture laws, the feds seized everything NORFED owns. All their gold. All their silver. All their platinum. All their bank accounts. All their cash. All their computers. Even the dies for minting the coins they produce.
Uncle Sam doesn’t want any competition in the money business. All forms of currency deemed legal tender by the feds—Federal Reserve Notes and coins produced by the U.S. Mint—are all totally debased. They’re backed only by the American dream, and not by gold, silver, or any other commodity. The 30% decline in the international value of the U.S. dollar in recent years is only the most visible sign of this debasement.”
What the hell is a “Liberty Dollar?”
Is it some goldbug BS currency?
At many theme parks, they have fake money you can buy to use in the park. At Kings Dominion, passholders get a 10% discount on their “scooby bucks”. Other places there is no discount, and I’m not sure why people buy the fake money, except once I had run out of cash and they didn’t take credit cards in a lot of places so I bought the fake money with a credit card instead of paying bank fees at the ATM.
Coupons list a redemption value in real money.
Yes! and the ROP is the "fastest-growing" religion!
Be careful. This tough (cough) guy likes RP.
The owner of the site and one of paul's main contributors (and a personal friend of Paul's) have advocated using this site's merchandise as a way to create independent donations for the Paul'08 presidential campaign - and they have issued coins with Ron paul's likeness.
Anyone with a brain does not use someone else's likeness and name to market their products unless they have that person's permission and endorsement in advance.
He’s talking about the accounting methods used to deal with it, its “function,” not that it’s “legal tender” or “broadly redeemable.” It means you don’t have to have a Canadian cash register and program the daily exchange rate.
Thanks for posting that. That is some confirmation that this reported event actually occurred. I would still like to see more concrete confirmation. I would REALLY like to see the search warrant.
Come back when a Canadian janitor’s salary is higher than yours in US dollars, and let’s see what you say then.
Precisely - to follow his/your argument there is no need to program a daily exchange rate because the "Liberty Dollar" is exchangeable on a one-to-one basis with the US dollar.
Which it actually is not.
He’s been in a legal battle with the feds for years, this raid looks like a quintessential intimidation thug tactic. What difference does it make to the feds if their entire case is thrown out five years from now, if they’ve bankrupted their target and stripped him of any means of fighting back?
Like a coupon, it has a dollar figure printed on it.
Whether one chooses to accept or discount that dollar figure is up to the parties in the transaction.
If the campaign isn’t paying for them, the organization is making an “in-kind” donation to the Ron Paul campaign by printing “ROn Paul for President”.
If that exceeds $2300, they may have violated election law.
Dallas-based food chain to accept Mexican pesos
The problem is that Liberty Dollars are not legal tender anywhere. They could have avoided this if they'd struck up an agreement with some tiny country in Europe or Africa or some tiny island to designate it as legally recognized tender.
Does anyone know if stamps are still considered legal tender? I think they are.
“Bernard von NotHaus”
I just skipped to the end of the thread and see folks are still serious about this piece. I’m pretty sure the name says it all. However, if there are “lots of alternative private currencies” (????) in use - this type of scenario would be something to watch out for I guess. (Or - a great scam to make money - “gee, we got raided and they took all our records and money, complain to the government if you want your money back...”
Paahahahahahha! I remember that claymation snowman singing that song from the Rudolph Christmas cartoon.
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