FBI raids Liberty Dollar office-confiscates Ron Paul Dollars

http://www.rabidquill.com/ ^ | Nov 15, 2007 | "BJT"

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

Frontal Assault on Freedom: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar Posted by BJT on Nov 15, 2007 Read this email closely. I just got it this morning. Those of you who consider the gold standard a quaint anachronism, pay extra close attention. If Ron Paul supporters, gold standard advocates and the Liberty Dollar were nothing but harmless kooks, why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD, yes, but they never, but never make the claim that it is legal tender or anything other than what it is: private currency. And private currencies are numerous in the USA.

No. This raid happened because the Liberty Dollar, the second most popular currency in the country, threatens to usurp the entrenched power of the Fed’s Almighty Dollar. People can see the buying power of the greenback eroding, and they will choose something else if it is available, and the Liberty Dollar is ready and waiting. And that’s why the government must resort to force in order to protect its stranglehold on the economy.

From Liberty Dollar Headquarters: Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus

[mnehring]

And you trust the FedGov more with their debt backed reserve notes?

Actually, I trust America. The US dollar is backed on the basis of the entire economy. The Federal Reserve is also far more transparent than this Liberty Dollar company and must account for all activity to Congress. Can the Liberty Dollar company claim this level of transparency and oversight? The Fed also has a century of history behind it's credit.

Do I completely trust the Fed? No, but I trust them far more than some guy printing his own currency.

[dighton]

As you’ll have guessed, Liberty Dollar accepts fake government money for their genuine article.

[lormand]

Libertarians, Anarchists, what's the difference?

< /rhetorical question >

[McGruff]

Evansville, Indiana? That's where I am and there nothing on the local news about it

They probably used Black Helicopters.

[Cable225]

I am waiting to see whether any theft actually occurred, or whether this internet dude is making up a story to cover his inability or unwillingness to deliver the merchandise people paid him for.

My thoughts exactly. Here's the line that caught my eye -

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed.

Sounds like a rip-off to me. Sell a phony FBI raid to individuals likely to believe it and it's a tidy profit.

[Red Badger]

And her sister Ipso Facto!..................

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

As you’ll have guessed, Liberty Dollar accepts fake government money for their genuine article.

You just can't buy entertainment like this anymore. Seriously. ;)

[Petronski]

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PONZI

[r9etb]

LOL! You beat me to the “screwball” post.... I was just getting ready to dial it up.

[Red Badger]

...couple of Federal Marshalls taking a smoke break, it's quiet as a churchyard this morning.

No black helicopters or MIB's?.............

[from occupied ga]

Really not any different than gift cards. How many times have you read of gift cards losing their entire value beause the issuer gave them a time limit or that the issuer went out of business? Happens all the time. So liberty dollars are really no different than gift cards. (And btw I don’t buy gift cards either, but if someone wants to buy them that’s their business)

[weegee]

There must be a lot of inflation in Hell...

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

And her sister Ipso Facto!..................

MMMMMMMmmmmmmmm. Sisters.

I'm sorry. I went... away for a while. I'm back now, though. ;)

[Moonman62]

His grandparents probably changed it from nuss to not when they went through Ellis island.

[PAR35]

Looks like it would be a profitable operation. They sell an ounce of silver for $20. That’s roughly $5/ounce profit.

[mysterio]

disrupt the U.S. economy.

The trade of precious metals disrupts the US economy?

[DoughtyOne]

Perhaps you are right to mention that. I’ll be honest. I don’t see how Ron could allow someone to use his likeness unless he fully approved or received finance remuneration for them doing so.

[Red Badger]

...they are the only one authorized to mint currency.

Are you sure?...........

[SwankyC]

I dont have the inclination to play patty cake with you. Go about your day as though we never had this conversation.

[untrained skeptic]

From the article to which you provided the link:

The $10 Peace Dollar is a legal functioning currency dedicated to stop the war. As a private voluntary barter currency it can be used anywhere it is accepted.

...and then later...

Recently, Liberty Dollar sued the US Mint to compel the government to cease claiming voluntary use of the Liberty Dollar as barter is a federal crime. No Liberty Dollar, Ron Paul Dollar or Peace Dollar is claimed to be "legal tender."

So they say it is a legal currency, and then say they aren't claiming it to be "legal tender". That seems like a pretty transparent lie to me.

18 USC Section 486

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title (!1) or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

AMENDMENTS:

1994 - Pub. L. 103-322, which directed the amendment of this section by substituting "fined under this title" for "fined not more than $2,000", was executed by making the substitution for "fined not more than $3,000", to reflect the probable intent of Congress.

Seems pretty clear to me why the coins, precious metals, and the minting equipment were seized.

You are welcome to disagree with the law, but if you don't want your property to be seized, don't overtly use it in the commission of a crime.

Their complaints about the paper currency being seized seem pretty ridicules. They are claiming that that paper currency is backed by precious metals, and basically represent ownership of a corresponding amount of precious metal. The precious metals have been seized. It they were to try to do anything with the paper currency, it would be fraud.