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Rudy in Trouble Without Iowa Win (Morris: Mitt to win primaries, but can't win general election?)
Real Clear Politics ^ | 11/14/07 | Dick Morris

Posted on 11/14/2007 6:54:33 AM PST by teddyballgame

Even as he continues to hold a convincing lead in the national race, Rudy Giuliani may be riding for a big fall in Iowa and the other early state primaries. Mitt Romney, despite his anemic national showing, could sweep Iowa, New Hampshire and Michigan, a trifecta that could give him such momentum as to sweep him to the nomination.

The numbers are scary for Giuliani (and since Mitt doesn't have a prayer in hell of beating Hillary in a general election, scary for us all). While he holds a lead in the national polls (Giuliani 30, Thompson 17, McCain 15, Romney 12, Huckabee 9 -- all data is from the average of the past five polls posted on www.realclearpolitics.com), he is trailing badly in all the early states.

In Iowa, the first caucus, it's Romney 29, Huckabee 15, Giuliani 13, Thompson 12, McCain 8. And New Hampshire isn't much better. There it's Romney also in the lead with 32 percent, Rudy a distant second at 21 percent, McCain at 16 percent, Huckabee at 7 percent and Thompson at 5 percent. And Michigan, which might be just a few days after New Hampshire, shows Romney also in the lead at 25 percent with Rudy at 20 percent.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; dickmorris; elections; giuliani; ia2008; mittromney; romney
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To: teddyballgame

Neither Mitt nor Rooty can win their own state... Thompson can.


21 posted on 11/14/2007 7:13:43 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: teddyballgame
I think he wins Michigan fairly easily. His name recognition, his track record, and the Michigan electorate's disgust with Granholm and her economic policies (that are copy cats of Hillary's) will be a huge problem for Hillary to overcome here.

Can't really say about Mass......after all they keep electing Teddy.......

22 posted on 11/14/2007 7:14:24 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: teddyballgame
This poll is from South Carolina.

Note that Romney does better among women than any other Republican. This is true in other polls as well. Romney is especially well suited to take on Hiliary, for this and other reasons.

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23 posted on 11/14/2007 7:15:49 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: MplsSteve

And Maine, which used to be a Bellweather, but if we assume that we have a election map similar to 2004, ME and NH don’t equal to say Arkansas, New Mexico and Arizona.

And that is the trade off that would lose the election for Republicans in 2008, winning NJ may offset Ohio, but not those other states.


24 posted on 11/14/2007 7:15:51 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: padre35

“A Republican hasn’t won in the NE since maybe GHWB.”

It’s true, the landscape in politics have shifted quite a bit in the last century. Reagan once won Massachusetts and before that the South use to vote Democratic. Now the only Northeast state a Republican has a chance of winning is NH. MA, NY, NJ, RI, CT, VT will all go (D) no matter who is the nominee.


25 posted on 11/14/2007 7:15:56 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: Lakeshark

I seriously doubt Romney puts Mass. in play in a presidential election. There is one possibility. Romney is very handsome. It’s just possible some of the Hilary female supporters will vote for his looks.


26 posted on 11/14/2007 7:16:31 AM PST by Williams
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To: teddyballgame
since Mitt doesn't have a prayer in hell of beating Hillary in a general election

Based on what?

27 posted on 11/14/2007 7:16:58 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: gjones77

MI has become so Democrat I just don’t think a Republican can pull it out this cycle, the days of John Engler are in the rear view mirror, the R’s in MI behaved like the R’s in Ohio at the state legislature level.


28 posted on 11/14/2007 7:19:42 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: Williams
It’s just possible some of the Hilary female supporters will vote for his looks.

If it comes down to looks, I doubt they will pull the lever for Hil........

:-)

29 posted on 11/14/2007 7:19:53 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: tips up
Why is it a foregone conclusion that Romney can’t beat Hillary? With a well run campaign, I think any of the Republican front runners could beat her. Her nomination isn’t a foregone conclusion either.

Because conservatives, for the most part, won't vote for the guy, anymore than they will vote for Rudy. Rudy is starting to look bad so Rudy supporters are swinging to Mitt, but the majority of conservatives want someone else. If Rudy, for example, has a 30 percent share, that means 70 percent(I know, it is a no brainer but some people can't understand it)don't want him. Same with Mitt or any of the other candidates, including Duncan and Fred. If anyone but a conservative is nominated, and that means if anyone other than Fred or Duncan is nominated, then the republicans will lose the 2008 WH vote, no matter who the Dems run as a candidate.

It is time for the RNC to start to realize that and to go back to strong conservative values in a candidate instead of backing Rinos such as Rudy and Mitt.

30 posted on 11/14/2007 7:20:19 AM PST by calex59 (N)
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To: teddyballgame
If the base really got energized they would get behind a conservative; Fred Thompson.
31 posted on 11/14/2007 7:21:14 AM PST by captnorb
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To: Lakeshark
The fact of the matter is that the South and Baptists and fundamentalists in particular are not going to vote for a Mormon. Not saying that that is right or wrong, just a fact that I believe to be true. And if it is true, how does Romney win without the South?
32 posted on 11/14/2007 7:21:31 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: teddyballgame
But if Romney wins in Iowa, he will certainly win in New Hampshire

Morris knows better than that. New Hampshire is contrarian. Without an anointed incumbent running, it makes a point of NOT doing what Iowa does every time.

2000 Iowa goes Bush the Younger, New Hampshire goes McCain
1996 Iowa goes Dole, New Hampshire goes Pat Buchanan
1988 Dole goes Dole, New Hampshire goes Bush the Elder
1980 Iowa goes Bush the Elder, New Hampshire goes Ronaldus Maximus
1976 Iowa goes Ford, New Hampshire goes Ford 51% - 49%

The best way for Romney to lose his next door neighbor of New Hampshire would be to win Iowa, if history is a guide. Morris knows this. Morris, by his nature is a spinner and can be counted on to be disingenuous.
33 posted on 11/14/2007 7:22:28 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Not a newbie, I just wanted a new screen name.)
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To: teddyballgame
If he get the nomination he’s own his own, I will not vote for the flip flopper.
34 posted on 11/14/2007 7:23:50 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Iwo Jima
Given the alternatives of voitng for Hil, or voting for a Mormon who shares most of your political beliefs, it seems to be a no-brainer.

Lots of support has come to Romney from strong religious conservatives, so don't write him off with the Baptists yet.

35 posted on 11/14/2007 7:24:41 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: padre35

I should have clarified my previous remarks.

I wasn’t thinking in terms of what states Giuliani could win that would offset a loss somewhere else.

I was thinking only in terms of what states Guiliani could win that a GOP candidate might not necessarily count on.

I would expect that Guiliani could win Arkansas, New Mexico and Arizona - although NM seems to be the least favorable of the three.


36 posted on 11/14/2007 7:25:03 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: teddyballgame

Not quite so finished as that teddyballgame, the Republican challenger who came the closest to winning in 06 was in NJ against Bob Melendez in NJ.

So it may still be possible, and NY as well, but both just for Jooles, that name recognition up there is worth millions in Ad money already.

IMO, that is one of the reasons that some RNC types have their hearts set on Jooles, he may keep the Republican party in the NE from going extinct.


37 posted on 11/14/2007 7:25:36 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: deport
Dan Patrick has said for the longest that he thinks that there will not be a winning candidate by the Texas primary, and that Texas could be the decider. OR that there is no clear winner and we have a brokered convention.

Your thoughts?
38 posted on 11/14/2007 7:25:49 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima
The fact of the matter is that the South and Baptists and fundamentalists in particular are not going to vote for a Mormon.

I am not a Romney supporter, but if the choice is between a Mormon and someone who is indistinguishable from a Satan worshipper(*), my money is on the Mormon. (I am not a Mormon, and I know about the Moroni business.)



(*One could argue that Mrs. Clinton worships herself, not Satan, it winds up being nearly the same thing.)
39 posted on 11/14/2007 7:26:57 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Not a newbie, I just wanted a new screen name.)
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To: teddyballgame

The toe-sucker wants Hillary to win to keep him employed as the ‘All things Hillary’ expert.


40 posted on 11/14/2007 7:27:30 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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