We are doomed!
Posted on 11/12/2007 3:53:44 PM PST by mdittmar
You seem to be suggesting that witnesses, such as professional pilots, design engineers, cops, and military personnel are not capable of distinguishing between a modern, man made aircraft, and an unidentified object...
***There is precedence for this. The same level of witnesses started reporting propellerless aircraft coming out of Germany at the end of WWII, and some that even seemed to be rocket powered. When we look at what the actual devices were and compare them to the eyewitness descriptions, the variance is astonishing. That needs to be taken into account when you study this phenomena.
Another thing that needs to be taken into account is how the authorities reacted. When bomber pilots reported seeing fast propellerless aircraft shooting down their buddies, they were told that they didn’t see that, and that if they talked about it they would get in trouble. Similar things happened to people who reported UFO sightings. Also, when a flying saucer lands, the typical engagement goes something like this: Saucer Occupant: “Get the *&*%@& out of here, this is none of your business.” Does that sound like an extraterrestrial encounter to you? How do they get such perfect profanity but don’t know how to say, “Take us to your leader”?
OK.
When I say, “There is precedence for this”, that’s what I believe, not necessarily what you say I believe. Pigeonholing is the sign of a lazy mind.
So you don't agree with the above?
You’ll never guess who my mom named me after.
Yes, it is; I haven't tried to hide it.
Why don't you quit beating around the bush and tell me where my assessment is wrong? We've got optical illusions, natural phenomena, misidentified landmarks and aircraft, and top secret military and experimental projects; what other possible explanation did I miss?
Are you in the category of those who admit to beating their wives or those who do not?
Great response Kev!
Is this what you're suggesting?
I am suggesting that they misinterpreted what they saw or were witnessing things that were optical illusions, natural phenomena, misidentified landmarks, and black projects whose capabilities are not public knowledge.
Why don't you quit beating around the bush and tell me where my assessment is wrong?
OK, just to be clear, are you stating that *all* of these incidents are *all* just witness misinterpretations, optical illusions and secret military craft?
Is this what you're saying?
Is this what you're saying?
YES! Oh my God YES for the 10th time!! That is what I'm saying!
If you think I'm wrong, then provide another possible explanation. Otherwise quit asking, "Is this what you're saying?"
I just wanted to make sure you were referring to *all* or every single incident. No need to blow a gasket. lol.
So once again, you're saying credible professionals in the aviation business, pilots, military personnel and many others are just not capable of providing accurate observations, and they all have just simply misinterpreted what they've witnessed.
OK. lol...
I just don't buy into what you believe in regards to the above. It sounds like a government provided explanation. No offense.
That being said, sure many of these incidents are what you described, however, there have been many others, involving rather high end, top shelf, credible professionals, with detailed, closeup observations on objects that cannot be just explained away, supported by radar tracks, pilots, etc.
Metatron?
OK, but I'm a little unclear here. You are not satisfied with the list of explanations that I provided, yet in post #144, you said that you were not insinuated that extraterrestrials are involved.
Since I believe that I covered every earthly and terrestrial explanation, I would honestly like to know, what do you think they are?
UFO’s might be time machines from our own future.
I understand your SOP.
What I was hoping for was an answer that made more sense.
Though, I confess, I was skeptical I’d get one.
Great points.
Do you have *evidence* that they were seeing alien crafts?
And I said no, I don't. And I never claimed they were.
Nor do you have evidence supporting what you stated that every single incident or observation made by credible individuals was/is swamp gas, optical illusions, secret military aircraft, misinterpretations, etc.
I would honestly like to know, what do you think they are?
I have no idea, as I stated previously. I will say I too have seen objects that I cannot identify. Not suggesting they were aliens, or alien craft, but it could have been.
I tend to look beyond this planet. I've been imaging planetary and deep space objects for some years, using the latest computer controlled optical telescopes and rather high end, extreme light sensitive digital cameras. Yes, I consider myself an experienced, trained observer.
Example...Two weeks ago I imaged M-15 globular star cluster, below. It's about 34,000 light years distance. Not too far astronomically speaking. It contains pulsars, and neutron stars. Very neat stuff.
You can believe me or not, but I've seen objects, outside and close to our moon orbit, that I cannot explain. Could they have been craft not produced or developed here on earth? I don't know. What I do know is that we have very few spacecraft outside our moon orbit, and those would not be visible anyway...Not with my equipment anyway. lol
You have your beliefs, as I have mine.
I do not believe in anything for which there is no evidence. While there is evidence that many UFO sightings are the result of misinterpretations of earthly phenomena, there is no evidence of alien spacecraft. Therefore, I go with the more likely explanation.
Do you believe the Drake equation holds scientific value?
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