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Is a Vote for Rudy a Vote for War?
yahoo.com ^ | 11/09/2007 | Patrick Buchanan

Posted on 11/11/2007 1:21:35 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Rudy Giuliani has made a "promise" not to allow Iran to acquire a nuclear capability, even if it requires U.S. military action. Though the U.S. Army is scrimping to meet recruitment goals, Rudy has pledged to add at least 10 new combat brigades.

Speaking to an Atlantic Bridge conference in London, Rudy called for NATO expansion to include Japan, India, Australia, Singapore and Israel. Has Rudy thought this through?

Why would Japan and Australia, each of which already has a U.S. commitment to come to its defense, commit to go to war with a nuclear-armed Russia if it invaded Estonia? For joining NATO would require them to treat an attack on Estonia, or any other NATO nation in Europe, as an attack upon themselves.

Why should the United States commit to war for India, which has territorial conflicts and has fought wars with China and Pakistan? What vital interest is it of ours who holds Kashmir? As for Israel, are American boys now to fight Hezbollah and Hamas?

While FDR talked to Stalin, Ike and JFK to Khrushchev, and Nixon to Mao, Rudy would not talk to any "enemies bent on our destruction or those who cannot deliver on their agreements." Would he be even-handed in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute? Answers Rudy, "America shouldn't be even-handed in dealing with ... an elected democracy ... and a group of terrorists."

If Rudy rivals McCain as the hawk's hawk in the Republican race, the foreign policy advisers he has signed up make the Vulcans of Bush look like Howard Zinn and Ramsey Clark. Arnaud de Borchgrave titled his column about them "Dogs of War."

Team leader is Charles Hill, a co-signer of the Sept. 20, 2001, neocon ultimatum to Bush, nine days after 9-11, warning the president if he did not attack Iraq, his failure to do so "will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender to the war on international terrorism."

Yet Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

A second member of Rudy's team is Martin Kramer, an Israeli-American who, according to Ken Silverstein of Harper's, "spent 25 years at Tel Aviv University and whose Middle East policy can best be summarized as, 'What's Best for Israel?'" Silverstein calls Rudy's eight-man advisory group "AIPAC's Dream Team" — AIPAC being the Israeli lobby, two of whose leaders go on trial in January for espionage against the United States

According to The New York Times, another key Rudy adviser is Daniel Pipes, "who has called for profiling Muslims at airports and scrutinizing American Muslims in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps." Another is AEI's Michael Rubin, "who has written in favor of revoking the United States' ban on assassinations."

Best known of Rudy's advisers is Norman Podhoretz, who wrote in June, "The Case for Bombing Iran" in Commentary, thinks we are in "World War IV" and writes that "as an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart" Bush will bomb Iran. Podhoretz sees us at Munich in 1938 and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Hitler.

"Like Hitler," writes Podhoretz, Ahmadinejad "is a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international order and to replace it in the fullness of time with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamofascism."

Time to return to Planet Earth. Ahmadinejad is not only jeered at Columbia but at colleges in Tehran. He is openly attacked by rivals. He does not control the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. He does not decide on war or peace. He runs a regime with 2 percent of U.S. gross domestic product, no nukes and no navy or air force to rival ours. He is a Shia in a Sunni world. How is this 5 foot, 4 inch Persian going to strong-arm the United States, Russia and China, not to mention an Israel with 300 nukes, into his "new order"?

After the axis-of-evil speech threatening war on Iraq, Iran and North Korea, Podhoretz wrote that Bush had not gone far enough.

The "regimes that richly deserve to be overthrown ... should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as 'friends' of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority." After toppling them all, wrote Podhoretz, as he mocked the "timorous ... incorrigibly cautious Colin Powell," let's find "the stomach to impose a new political culture on the defeated."

Bush found the stomach. Near 4,000 Americans are dead, 27,000 wounded, Walter Reed is full, and Norman is looking for new wars. On a recent National Review cruise, he ranted that Iraq was an "amazing success," "a triumph. It couldn't have gone better." As for Saddam's WMDs, they were secretly "shipped to Syria."

After meeting with his candidate, Podhoretz emerged happy to assure us, "There is very little difference in how he (Rudy) sees the war and I see it." If true, a vote for Rudy is a vote for endless war.

And, as James Madison said, wars are the death of republics.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: duncan; duncanhunter; giuliani; huntersrangers; israel; nato; neocons; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat; podhoretz; pos; rudy; rudygiuliani; wot; wwiv
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James Madison also brought the USA to war with Great Britain, because pacifism only works in theory, not in practice.
1 posted on 11/11/2007 1:21:36 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We will fight a war if need be. Any candidate that says that he/she will not go to war under any circumstances is NOT a viable candidate. IMHO.


2 posted on 11/11/2007 1:24:43 PM PST by fhayek
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To: Tailgunner Joe

War?
NO.
But it would be a vote for abortion
gun control
high taxes
support for the homosexual agenda
support and amnesty for illegals.
welfare for illegals.
But hey, who’s counting.


3 posted on 11/11/2007 1:25:49 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: fhayek

Hey Pat B... Make love, not war...give peace a chance...


4 posted on 11/11/2007 1:27:38 PM PST by tips up
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And, as James Madison said, wars are the death of republics.

Ours seems to have survived quite a few, including the 40+ year Cold War. Our republic is still intact, if more than a little tattered.

5 posted on 11/11/2007 1:28:18 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Pat’s position is “What’s best for muzzies who want to blow up Americans?”


6 posted on 11/11/2007 1:31:20 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Pat Buchanan's arguments are almost enough to get me to support Rudy!!

On second thought, NAHH!

7 posted on 11/11/2007 1:33:41 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Not surprising. Typical fare from Pat “SS” Buchanan.


8 posted on 11/11/2007 1:38:05 PM PST by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Any conservative who would trust the liberal Giuliani handling any issue, needs to have their head examined, posthaste.
9 posted on 11/11/2007 1:38:59 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Rudy is dead on when it comes to foreign policy.

It’s his disgusting support of abortion that makes him unacceptable as the Republican nominee.


10 posted on 11/11/2007 1:45:46 PM PST by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Rudy over Hillary, case closed.


11 posted on 11/11/2007 1:56:00 PM PST by fhayek
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To: Perdogg

Your smear is not surprising either. Typical fare from those who want to keep the US in endless Middle East wars.


12 posted on 11/11/2007 2:21:13 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative
"...Typical fare from those who want to keep the US in endless Middle East wars..."

Ah yes—back to the good old days of the Clinton Administration.

13 posted on 11/11/2007 2:42:06 PM PST by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Rudy is a draft-dodging, cross-dressing poof!

14 posted on 11/11/2007 2:46:04 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: tear gas

Rudy is a draft-dodging

The only one not a draft dodger is Duncan Hunter!!!


15 posted on 11/11/2007 2:49:19 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
John McCain served. I can't say that any of the others were actually draft-DODGERS, but I know that Rudy did that.

I had heard that Rudy had told them he was a cross-dresser to get out of the service, but then I read this info on how he dodged the draft:

http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/30661/

16 posted on 11/11/2007 2:54:25 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It is a vote for fighting the war as it is being fought now, at least until Congress takes it all away from him. He will have a congress more Democrat than the current one and I don’t see him taking out Iran before he has a “real reason” to i.e. we lose a city or two to Iranian nukes. And he will have that problem facing him because Bush most likely is putting off doing the necessary until at least the next administration.


17 posted on 11/11/2007 3:02:16 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: fhayek
Rudy will do more damage to the Republican Party and the pro-life cause than Hillary can. He cannot get good judges past the Congress he will face, even if he appoints them in the first place. 2 years later he will get an even lefter Congress. And his idea of "strict construction" or "original intent" is a bit different from mine. His constitution doesn't contain a 2nd Amendment and it does contain abortion. Mrs. Bill will at least cause us to get a Republican House after 2 years.

If we get any of the current front runners- a Democrat or Giuliani or Romney, just accept that the next 3 USSC appointments are going to be somewhere between Souter on the Right and Breyer on the Left. If a Democrat makes those appointments, especially if it is Mrs. Clinton then they will be 30 year old Left Activists.

18 posted on 11/11/2007 3:10:42 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: arthurus

Nope.


19 posted on 11/11/2007 3:22:11 PM PST by fhayek
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To: Tailgunner Joe

But it will be the end of the republican party.Conservatives will not stand for this nonsense.


20 posted on 11/11/2007 4:25:30 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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