Posted on 11/11/2007 12:39:35 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
You would first need enough votes in the house and senate to support whatever RP wanted to accomplish.
Unless he has other plans where he doesn’t need their votes?
Bush wanted to partially privatize social security. How far did that get? Even with a limp spined majority.
How likely do you think we are to get that after they watch him get pounded by self-professed "conservatives" for saying he wants to reduce the size of government?
We ALL here on Free Republic want to reduce the size of government. We’ll there are a couple that we keep as pets that are allowed to post, but I won’t mention names.
Free Republic isn’t representative of the voting population, we are but a small fraction.
And what the prognosis is we throw up our hands and join the sheep?
“And what the prognosis is we throw up our hands and join the sheep?”
Keep supporting the best Republicans we can find and target with extreme prejudice the ones that fall short. Pick off Democrats where we can, with the best conservatives we can.
Support the most likely to win, while realizing you never get everything you want in politics or politicians.
Like it our not, the voters get the government that they want. We as a nation and conservatives have really sucked at choosing representatives that can’t say no to the DC koolaid or what ever it is that makes them go insane once they get to Washington.
Way too many good candidates will never run, because begging for money for your next campaign the day after you win has become the norm. Second, it is hard to imagine the amount of venom directed at conservatives. You have a entire media industry where 80% of them are looking to smear you in some way to gain points for the home team. Is it any wonder they go soft? Wanting to be liked is a universal trait. It’s tough swimming against the flow day after day.
I’m amazed that we have any decent conservatives at all.
Ron Paul is your choice? Vote for him. I hope some of this debate has been coherent and enlightening to others as to why I think it is a bone headed thing to do.
I know how frustrating it is to see the Republicans fold again and again. I will continue to do what I can to hold their feet to the fire when they do stupid things.
That and the idea that we'll go along with just about anything, no matter the consequences, as long as there's a barb for RP in there somewhere.
Are you saying that any one who does not agree with Ron Paul is ‘non-American’?
“even people who hate his ideas acknowledge that Paul is honest and a good guy.”
I hate his ideas, and I hate him, and I think he’s a two faced lying POS.
“Why don’t you send a message by voting out the frickin representatives that can’t say no to pork and big government?”
Hey that means we can get rid of Dr. “Do as I say, not as I do” paul and his 400 million worth of earmarks.
“I would encourage Ron Paul to appear on Glenn Beck and suspect that he will soon.”
The only way paul would be on Mr. Beck’s show is if Mr. Beck holds up a picture of paul.
ron paul avoids the shows where he knows he isn’t going to get tossed soft questions with no follow up.
“Are you saying that any one who does not agree with Ron Paul is ‘non-American’?”
Most of them call us traitors, especially those of us who are military veterans.
Well, I’m glad you cleared that up. It seemed inconsistent with my opinion of you.
So exactly what ‘fundamental pro-american positions’ do you think should be addressed?
Stay tuned.
Dear Mr. Beck,
The image you have so carelessly planted in the minds of your viewers, that regular, honest, hardworking American supporters of Dr. Ron Paul are a bunch of terrorists is not only inaccurate, but grossly negligent sir! And I take extreme umbrage with you assertions. I am a former Marine, decorated with a Good Conduct Medal, a Navy Unit Commendation, and an Overseas Deployment ribbon for my service to these United States from 1982 to 1986. Seeing as we are both forty three I think its safe to say that while I was serving my country, you were much more busy becoming a drug addict and practicing to become an alcoholic, correct?
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You see, unlike you sir, I have taken the time to gather some facts to support my position. I love this country and its people more than life itself, and would at a moments notice put my life on the line once again in her defense. I took an oath to uphold our Constitution, and I take this oath very seriously.
You sir have done a grave disservice to me personally by implying that I am a terrorist because I support Dr. Ron Paul. Over my forty three years of life's trials and tribulations I have developed pretty thick skin, and am not easily bothered by someone's words. But when I heard you imply that Ron Paul supporters are "akin to terrorists" for choosing the fifth of November as the day for our fund raising donation, I have to admit that I was a highly upset! I sincerely believe you have a right to your opinion, as do we all. But where you enjoy an assumed position of authority in Television and Radio with the potential to influence millions of viewers and listeners alike comes an even greater obligation to ensure that the opinions you espouse are well founded, and responsible ones. Is that a fair statement sir? I work very hard to introduce my friends and family to the issues that Dr. Ron Paul supports, and believe with great sincerity that our Country is in very serious trouble and we need to elect someone to the highest office who exemplifies the kind of qualities of a Dr. Ron Paul.
I was with my wife and 18 year-old daughter when we watched you're 'Ron Paul supporters may be domestic terrorists' piece. My family knows how strongly I feel about Dr. Paul's views and I got a strange feeling in the pit of my stomach upon hearing your comments. Especially in front of my family, who trusts my decision making process in order that I provide a stable, moral example for them to follow. It was an awkward moment to say the least, I was at a loss for words. I simply gritted my teeth and supported your right to your views regardless. Mr Beck, your implication that Ron Paul supporters, like myself, are terrorists, is so far beyond the pale of reasoning that I fail to understand how you could formulate this opinion. Now I'm not naive, I know this was not some spontaneous thoughts you were sharing with your audience. I realize this was something you ran by your staff and bosses alike. You had to book the guests that would be sympathetic to your views in order to project the desired effect for your viewers. Plain and simple sir, this was a tongue in cheek political hit piece directed at Dr. Ron Paul's Presidential Campaign by casting his supporters as domestic terrorists. I find this type of guerrilla journalism very distasteful and a betrayal of America and our ideals of the sanctity of a free press that is suppose to inform its body politic, not to deceive its people as you have chosen to do. As I stated earlier, I am not naive sir, and I realize you could care less how I feel or what my opinions of you are, and that's just fine by me. But what you are doing is just plain wrong, and you will have to atone for your actions at some point in time. But until then you have lost a faithful viewer.
I know it is of little consequence to you but as a matter of principle I can no longer support a network that supplies you a platform from which you so carelessly use as a tool to spew your hate and rhetoric. I will also be boycotting all of your sponsors products until they pull their support by way of advertising dollars that go to pay you're salary. Here is the list of people and companies I will be contacting.
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Post #689 there is a very good video describing why Glenn Beck called Ron Paul supporters terrorists. You seem to be missing the point.
Transcripts of the valuable point made in the video
As I told you last week, Ron Paul raised over $4 million in one day. That`s huge news. His supporters raised the cash on November the 5th to commemorate Guy Fawkes. This guy was a British terrorist who tried to overthrow the government by blowing up Parliament and killing everybody in it. Paul`s supporters called the donations, and I`m quoting, a “money bomb.”
Fawkes was caught the very last minute, some say with his hand on a torch about to light the gunpowder under Parliament.
Now, the vast majority of Paul`s supporters take this little metaphor the way it`s intended, as a rallying cry to create a dramatic political shift. It`s really not the way I would go, you know, tying my movement in with a historical terrorist attack, especially in post-9/11 America. But hey, you know, I`m a libertarian at heart. I get it. You raise money however you want, as long as you`re not blowing other people up.
But America, here`s what you need to know tonight. Ron Paul`s supporters are tapping into something that`s very real. It`s something that I`ve talked about on this program for a very long time: the rising tide of disenfranchisement in this country. And it`s coming from all sides of the political spectrum.
If that feeling of disenfranchisement leads to political discussion, then our system works perfectly. But if fringe elements take that disenfranchisement and turn it into violence, we endanger the freedoms we`re supposedly all fighting for.
David Horowitz is the author of “Indoctrination U: The Left`s War Against Academic Freedom.” And Jonathan Sandys, he is a writer and founder of Churchill`s Britain. He`s also the great-great— I`m sorry, the great- grandson of Sir Winston Churchill.
Jonathan and David, it`s good to have you here.
Jonathan, let me — let me start with you. Guy Hawkes — or Fawkes, as I understand it, he is basically an old-timey Timothy McVeigh.
JONATHAN SANDYS, FOUND, CHURCHILL`S BRITAIN: Sorry. Say that again.
BECK: That he is England`s version in the 1600s of Timothy McVeigh, except his bomb didn`t work. He`s a terrorist. Is he not?
SANDYS: Yes, yes. Yes, he was a terrorist. Very much so. He had a very clear set of views. He was a Catholic and wanted to return Britain to a Catholic realm. And he was backed by the pope in Rome to blow up the parliament, blow up James I and his government...
BECK: OK.
SANDYS: ... and overthrow — and then have a Catholic — a Catholic king reinstated.
BECK: All right. Now, one of his big things, and I think this is where it ties in today. One of his big things was he felt that nobody was listening to him, that the government wouldn`t respond.
We felt that way, and that`s why we disbanded from the — from Great Britain in the 1700s, as well, because we — we felt like the king wasn`t listening to us. Do you sense at all that this is the same kind of thing that is going on in Great Britain and in America right now?
SANDYS: Yes, this is a problem we are facing at the moment in Great Britain certainly and also in America. We have governments that are promising an awful lot of things for the voters. But they aren`t delivering on them.
But nobody is actually asking the people what do you actually want? What is it in education that you want? What is it in life that you actually want? Nobody — nobody cares.
BECK: Well, David, let me go to you. Because you are a — you were a Marxist in the `60s. You were a radical. You were a guy that was exactly the opposite of where you are now. Winston Churchill I believe said that, you know, when you grow up you get some common sense.
Is this the same kind of thing, or is this worse than what it was in the `60s with the radicals then?
DAVID HOROWITZ, AUTHOR, “INDOCTRINATION U.”: Oh, I think it`s much worse. First of all, my parents were communists, and they were part of a vast conspiracy, and it was orchestrated from Moscow and wanted America to lose the Cold War.
We have a lot of people in this country who think that we`re the enemy. And a lot of them are drawn from the ranks of the old left and the new left, the secular left. But to them has been added a — you know, a whole new constituency of Muslim radicals, of which there are many in this country on our campuses.
And then the — of Democratic Party leaders out of a very short- sighted desire for political advantage, have defected from a war that they — that they all supported and have denigrated the mission of this war and fueled the — you know, the fires of what you call disenfranchisement.
BECK: But — let me go — let me take it back the other way, though, David. It`s not just the left this time. It`s also the right. I mean, Ron Paul`s supporters are also the right, and that`s from people saying, you know what? Bush has really not told us the truth, not told the American people the truth on government spending, on the border.
And even when it comes to the war, you didn`t tell us that we are in the fight of our life. You told us to go shopping.
HOROWITZ: Well, but he did say it`s going to be a long war.
You`re right. There`s a strain of isolationism and anarchy in the American tradition which Ron Paul is tapping into. I think it`s very significant that he chose Guy Fawkes as an image.
There are plenty of, unfortunately, libertarian Web sites which are indistinguishable from the anti-American left these days. LouRockwell.com and others like that. Totally in bed with the Islamofascists and have turned against this country.
Only the ones that need rehab and are so stoned they're unable to realize our troops are actually succeeding in Iraq.
Sadly your promoting a group that has hijacked the Libertarian party making it sound more like George Soros than the principles of most Conservative Republicans.
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