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Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous
NewsBull ^ | November 11, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 11/11/2007 12:39:35 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican

I hate wasting this much press time on Ron Paul. But the Paul campaign is becoming a real threat to the Republican primary process and if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal. This is bad for the party and the country.

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So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?

If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Tears of a Clown
And even if leftists do contribute to his campaign, it seems like they would be working against their interests, since Paul’s view of government is completely antithetical to liberal leftist ideology.

Since Paul has no chance whatsoever, it's a risk-free investment. They're not trying to get the guy elected. They're trying to finance a sustained third-party effort that will siphon 2-5% of the vote away from the GOP candidate.

221 posted on 11/11/2007 4:32:02 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (“I don't think she understood at all what I was saying.” -- Anita Esterday on Hillary Clinton)
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To: darkwing104
I notice a bunch of antidotes being posted. Nice thing about antidotes is that they don't require proof and does not mean squat in the ballot box. His message may appeal to a small but dedicated but in the big picture he doesn't fit. I see RP as a populist trying to disguise himself as a conservative...

Anecdotes dude, anecdotes.

222 posted on 11/11/2007 4:32:20 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Graybeard58

I’d have to back track. Sometimes I lose track myself...

No harm, no foul though. At the end of the day, most of us here on on the same team. We’re just deciding our game plan.


223 posted on 11/11/2007 4:33:27 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Yeah, but you can’t run and hide from the war on terror with being a card carrying idiot...

I'll agree that, in what I have heard, RP over-simplifies the terrorist acts involved in 9-11; his prhase "11 thugs" rang false with me. It was 11 members of some quasi-national mafia. His statement showed either a willful or an ignorant misunderstanding of the organization behind the act.

That said, the term "War on terror" rings about as false as the term "hate crime" with me. You can't have a war on an emotion. I would rather use the term "war on enemies of the United States."

That would keep front and center the imperatives that we identify who they are, what they did or are doing, who is funding them, how they threaten the USA, and what their motives are. It would also help define measurable finish lines in our overseas conflicts.

You need to identify an enemy's motives to find their weaknesses - especially important when you are dealing with suicide bombers who don't even seem to value their own lives. But the bombers are usually stooges for puppet masters who'd wimper if they cut themselves shaving. Unless you want to keep cutting off a new hydra head every few years, I think answering these questions and changing the cultural "cradle" of the recruits is important. I agree with GWB that a true message of freedom and the priority of self over government is important. By its nature the nature of man as defined in the Declaration of Independence transcends government and is the antidote to the Middle East pot-stirrers, among others.

224 posted on 11/11/2007 4:34:45 PM PST by Puddleglum
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To: rockrr

Well now lets don’t go overboard, I don’t know if Paul and his minions are that much fun...


225 posted on 11/11/2007 4:36:41 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: George W. Bush

I’ll bet they already do...


226 posted on 11/11/2007 4:36:50 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: michigander; PlainOleAmerican; Jim Robinson
Oh BTW, Did you "Learn that at your DU meeting, card carrying idiot"?

Ron Paul wingnuts are now accusing conservatives of being DUmmies, now I've seen everything!

227 posted on 11/11/2007 4:38:32 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Melas

Hell, we could use some antidotes being posted.

We’re trying, but nothing seems to work.


228 posted on 11/11/2007 4:39:00 PM PST by listenhillary (You get more of what you focus on)
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To: TFine80

I have only seen one campaign group alienate so many people so fast. That was Howard Deans internet techi group in 2004. I strongly suspect that it is largely the same group supporting RP. The same group that spammed last seasons American Idol votes to keep a non-singer on the show till the end, just for fun.


229 posted on 11/11/2007 4:39:59 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: YoungCorps
In fairness to libertarians, it must be realized that Paul's campaign is not universally supported among them. The heirs to Ayn Rand, such as Leonard Peikoff, do not support the Texas congressman. Neither does the Cato Foundation, the leading libertarian think tank in the country. Neal Boortz, the libertarian talk show host and perhaps the best known of this group among the general public, is skeptical of Paul. It appears the bulk of the libertarian support for the maverick comes from the heirs of Murray Rothbard, an economist of the Austrian School (Hayek, Mises), such as the writers for lewrockwell.com and antiwar.com. Such libertarian notables as Lew Rockwell, Justin Raimundo, and Thomas Woods are big Ron Paul fans. (Surprisingly, several of them are Catholics, and traditionalist ones at that.)

Ayn Rand was a strong anti-Communist, as would befit a refugee from the USSR, and her heirs are advocates of a strong defense who recognize the threat from Islamic militancy. Back in the 1970s, Rothbard, the intellectual father of the pro-Ron Paul faction of libertarians, began cooperating with several New Leftists and others in condemning American imperialism, seeing American foreign policy and corporate interests, rather than Communist plans for world domination, as the main threat to world peace.

As conservatives have factions, such as free marketers, defense advocates, moral conservatives, etc., so do libertarians. It is wrong to see them all as computer nerds, druggies, and other marginal social types. As for Ron Paul, while he may cite Jefferson and Patrick Henry, his most important influence is not these men of the 18th Century, but one of the 20th Century, Murray Rothbard.

230 posted on 11/11/2007 4:40:47 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: wagglebee
Ron Paul wingnuts...

Prove it.

231 posted on 11/11/2007 4:40:49 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: ejonesie22; rockrr
Well now lets don’t go overboard, I don’t know if Paul and his minions are that much fun...

What are you talking about? They've got their mom's old minivan, her Visa card, some homemade RINO Paul signs and a bong, what could possibly be more fun?

232 posted on 11/11/2007 4:42:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Puddleglum

Career politicians are very seldom (if ever) conservative...


233 posted on 11/11/2007 4:42:51 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: michigander

Fine, anti-American Pinkos.


234 posted on 11/11/2007 4:42:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Yep.


235 posted on 11/11/2007 4:44:08 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

His support for Giuliani wasn’t something I learned of until AFTER I decided Dondero was an opportunist. Did you even look at the article I linked?


236 posted on 11/11/2007 4:44:12 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: wagglebee
Ron Paul wingnuts are now accusing conservatives of being DUmmies, now I've seen everything!

We see FReepers pledging to vote for Her Thighness on these threads regularly after Dr. Paul wins the Republican nomination.

They're the Hillary FReepers. I tend to assume they're some kind of government parasites, afraid that small-government might rear its ugly head again in the GOP.
237 posted on 11/11/2007 4:44:31 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: svcw

You are really missing the point.

It is NOT a matter of going back in time to that technology. The taxes did not allow those things to happen. We are not great because of taxes. We are great because of our liberty.

That list just shows how much we have lost to government and that is a shame and that liberty is what I’d like to return to.


238 posted on 11/11/2007 4:46:03 PM PST by Harvey105
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To: wagglebee; Jim Robinson
Fine, anti-American Pinkos.

C'mon wagglebutt. It was important enough to ping Jim Robinson so prove either of those personal attacks.

239 posted on 11/11/2007 4:46:08 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: George W. Bush
We see FReepers pledging to vote for Her Thighness on these threads regularly after Dr. Paul wins the Republican nomination.

Who cares what they say? There is not a chance in the world of Paul winning the GOP nomination.

240 posted on 11/11/2007 4:47:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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