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Chinese sub successfully sneeks up on U.S. Navy
Daily Mail ^ | 10th November 2007 | MATTHEW HICKLEY

Posted on 11/11/2007 5:02:18 AM PST by mreerm

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To: mreerm

Sneaky - must be all that lead in the paint.


41 posted on 11/11/2007 8:29:51 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: RedRover; mamelukesabre

Flucuations!


42 posted on 11/11/2007 9:13:48 AM PST by lilycicero (Flucuations for the Supplies!!!!!)
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To: mamelukesabre
Name one thing that we know for certain that the chinese invented all by themselves in the last 200 years...exactly!

The chinese invented gunpowder but not much since then...unless you want to count the fortune cookie too.

43 posted on 11/11/2007 9:14:05 AM PST by Mogollon
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Submarines running on the battery are EXTREMELY quiet and have very short detection ranges. In my time as a Submarine Sonar man we had an adage, “if you hear him on the batt, he’s way too close already.”
It is conceivable that this guy got in, seeing the huge disparity in our surface fleet’s training in ASW over the years..but I’d like to think there was an LA class out there “cutting tape” on him as he did this *L*
44 posted on 11/11/2007 10:43:00 AM PST by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: Mogollon
Gunpowder eh?

That’s a little before the year 1800AD. And some dispute the claim that the chinese invented the use of gunpowder. They definitely invented the substance, but they only used it in firecrackers, small rockets, and small pottery “grenades”. These were bamboo tubes filled with gunpowder and broken bits of pottery shards. THese weapons(?) were used for the purpose of scaring horses to break up a cavalry charge. And for scaring troops that had never seen it before.

The first effective firearms were developed in europe. The first effective gunpowder was developed by europeans.

45 posted on 11/11/2007 1:05:45 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Bottom_Gun

This is a facsinating topic for me and i know little about it. What are these “batteries” made of? ARe they giant lead-acid devices? In a nuke powered sub, is the propulsion done via steam directly? Or is the steam used to turn tubines that then turn electric generators? Are NASA-like fuel cells used anywhere in subs?

How about magnetic bearings? It seems to me these would be the quietest of all bearings. And ball bearings probaly the noisiest, followed by roller bearings and then plain bearings.


46 posted on 11/11/2007 1:26:16 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: RedRover

ibtz is “in before the zot”, which essentially means that you’ve posted to this thread before it was “zotted” or deleted, by the admin moderator.


47 posted on 11/11/2007 4:43:43 PM PST by marvlus
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To: mamelukesabre

The post above was meant for you!


48 posted on 11/11/2007 5:09:11 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: mamelukesabre

I believe most commonly used batteries on modern electric subs are Li-ion cells (pretty much like the rechargable batteries in most power-tools and consumer electronics). Low maintenance, no environment impact (which is a huge issue since a sub is a closed environment) and high energy density.

Nowadays, electric subs are always constructed so that an electric motor, powered from either batteries or the generator, drives the propellers and you have some primary propulsion (diesel, AIP etc) driving the generator behind it. Main reason for this is that you really don’t want your noisy diesel engine connected to the propeller-shaft as that would transmit a lot of unnecessary noise into the water.


49 posted on 11/11/2007 5:33:56 PM PST by SwedishConservative
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To: SwedishConservative

Its too bad there isn’t a device that can generate electricity directly from radioactive material without any moving parts.


50 posted on 11/11/2007 6:15:03 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

The Germans are moving ahead with their Hydrogen fuel-cell subs, which is as close as you can get to a “no moving parts” electricity generation. You still have the electrical motor and the screws though.

Nuclear subs are actually by far noisier and leave a stronger signature (noise, heat, radiation) than conventional electrics. Especially the german fuel-cell driven ones or the Swedish AIP sterling models.


51 posted on 11/11/2007 6:53:51 PM PST by SwedishConservative
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To: SwedishConservative
You still have the electrical motor and the screws though.

Megnetohydrodynamic drive
52 posted on 11/11/2007 7:44:44 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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