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Is Homeownership Antidemocratic? Do We Need To Eliminate The Mortgage Interest Deduction?
9 November 2007 | Vanity

Posted on 11/09/2007 3:55:19 PM PST by shrinkermd

One advantage of having a subscription to The Atlantic is finding out what the Democrats propose to do next.

Clive Crook in under the rubric of "The Agenda" wrote a recent article on homeownership called Housebound.

After agreeing with some benefits of homeownership he then lists the reasons why this is a bad idea. Among his complaints are:

The last of these, interest deduction for mortgage interest, seems to be what the liberals hope to eliminate. They argue thusly:

That is it, folks. Anticipate a move on MID after we have President Clinton and solid majorities in the House and Senate. But, of course, nothing will be said of this before the election. We will need money to pay for AMT repeal as well as government healthcare. Can you think of any more certain source of income?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 110th; deduction; homeownership; housing; interest; taxcode
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By the way under history The Atlantic recounts the "long and cumbersome but very effective" means of electing Venices soverign. The sovereign was elected for life! Wishful thinking?
1 posted on 11/09/2007 3:55:21 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Yes we should eliminate the deduction. Why should those who prefer to rent subsidize everyone else?

It's absurd.

2 posted on 11/09/2007 3:58:14 PM PST by curiosity
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To: shrinkermd

If you’re going to index income taxes I see nothing unfair about indexing the mortgage deduction.


3 posted on 11/09/2007 3:58:14 PM PST by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, there is one striking at its root)
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To: shrinkermd

>> The MID permits homeowners to deduct interest for cars and so forth by borrowing from their house—just not fair to non-homeowners.

I was under the impression that only home-equity loans that used the proceeds for certain purposes (home improvement, educational expense) were deductible. Am I mistaken?


4 posted on 11/09/2007 3:58:43 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: shrinkermd
FYI, Steve Forbes and other advocates of the flat tax also want to get rid of the mortgage interest deduction. This is not a left/right issue, unless you want to call Forbes a leftist.
5 posted on 11/09/2007 3:59:47 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Yes we should eliminate the deduction. Why should those who prefer to rent subsidize everyone else?

Fine do away with property taxes too. Why should we subsidize renters?
6 posted on 11/09/2007 4:00:19 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: shrinkermd
If the MID is eliminated, housing prices will fall like a rock.

Considering they're already falling hard, it would not be a soft landing. The collateral damage would be enormous. Enormous.

7 posted on 11/09/2007 4:02:17 PM PST by Mariner
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To: shrinkermd
Another problem with the MID is that it creates an incentive for people to be undiversified, i.e. to put too much of their wealth into a single asset (i.e. an expensive house).

It also encourages people who should be renting to buy. Without the MID, the subprime mortgage mess we're having right now wouldn't be nearly as bad, since there would be no tax advantage to lure people into taking mortgages they were not going to be able to handle.

The MID ranks among one of the more misguided policy decisions of the 20th century.

8 posted on 11/09/2007 4:03:38 PM PST by curiosity
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To: shrinkermd

I don’t own my own home. I mention this because I think it is important to address this issue frankly. Now that that statement has been made, I want to support the home interest deduction stridently.

Home ownership is very important. Land ownership is very important. I believe it is one of the most sacred rights we have as U.S. Citizens. The deduction makes it that much more accessable for people to own homes.

Home ownership affects many aspects of our society. It helps to keep areas from decaying. It helps to spur purchases that help to furnish or upkeep those homes.

It also provides a place where we can make all the decisions that affect our rhelm.

If you lease, you are subject to the leasor. If you own a home, you make the rules that affect your home.

I’m sure others will come by to make this post pale in comparison, but I wanted to be on the record of supporting the home interest deduction, and opposed to the democrats trying to adultrate it.


9 posted on 11/09/2007 4:04:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: shrinkermd

The party that pulls the home loan interest deduction will disappear from the face of the earth.


11 posted on 11/09/2007 4:05:23 PM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: shrinkermd
So what’s stopping me, and everyone else, from forming a corporation, selling it my home and renting it back to myself? The mortgage interest is a legitimate business expense.

When the mortgage is paid off, I sell the dump back to myself for whatever I like to minimize capital gains and dissolve the corporation.

12 posted on 11/09/2007 4:05:44 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: curiosity

Perhaps you have a short memory about taxes. In 1986, tax rates were lowered and many deductions were eliminated or reduced including the MID. The rats then began complaining that tax rates were too low on the wealthy. Soon tax rates were increased but deductions were not restored. In addition, the AMT eliminated and capped deductions for many reasonably wealthy tax payers.

In a perfect world, the tax code would be used for revenue collection and not social engineering. Everyone should pay the same rate on either consumption or income. That perfect world does not seem to be a possibility especially with the rats in control. With the current situation, I am adamantly opposed to any reductions in deductions, especially the MID.

Never trust a rat especially on taxes. Any compromise will be turned into a weapon in which to increase your taxes later.


13 posted on 11/09/2007 4:06:24 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Mariner
If the MID is eliminated, housing prices will fall like a rock.

Good. They're way overpriced as it is.

Considering they're already falling hard, it would not be a soft landing. The collateral damage would be enormous. Enormous.

BS.

14 posted on 11/09/2007 4:06:39 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Kozak
Aren’t you forgetting that landlords are able to take a deduction for all expenses (interest, taxes, utilities, etc.) connected with supplying rental property, plus a tax deduction for “depreciation” of the structure.

Arguably, part of that tax savings is passed on to the tenant, the rest is captured by the landlord, potentially across an unlimited number of properties.

15 posted on 11/09/2007 4:06:43 PM PST by afortiori
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To: shrinkermd
The MID permits homeowners to deduct interest for cars and so forth by borrowing from their house--just not fair to non-homeowners.

Why do liberals always come off sounding like elementary students?

"It's not fair. Wa."

16 posted on 11/09/2007 4:08:16 PM PST by Disambiguator (Political Correctness is criminal insanity writ large.)
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To: shrinkermd
I agree that the deduction is stupid and should be eliminated as part of a flat tax. The argument "you're wasting money by not buying" has pushed millions into buying homes they could not afford at rates which in many cases were subprime. One could say the deduction played a major part in the current "crisis".

Renting allows great flexibility. If you can't afford it, you finish out your lease, or work something out with the landlord and move into something you can afford. Simple, fluid, efficient. Need to SELL a home you can't afford? If the market is too saturated or sucks, or if you owe taxes or have liens or judgments, it can be a nightmare. Plus you have to pay a stupid broker and title schmuck for doing next to nothing.

Kill the deduction. It is unfair and distorts markets.

17 posted on 11/09/2007 4:08:22 PM PST by montag813
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To: Kozak
Fine do away with property taxes too. Why should we subsidize renters?

Rents cover part of the prop tax, unless the landlord is an idiot.

18 posted on 11/09/2007 4:09:12 PM PST by montag813
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To: Mariner

NOW THAT WOULD BE A TRAIN WRECK...


19 posted on 11/09/2007 4:09:55 PM PST by pointsal (q)
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To: shrinkermd

Let’s be stupid and give the government more money for them to waste.

Any deduction that denies them spending power is a good thing.


20 posted on 11/09/2007 4:09:55 PM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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