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Hitler admired Islam
Richard Miniter ^ | 11 09 2007 | drzz

Posted on 11/09/2007 2:03:00 AM PST by drzz

Since both Charles Johnson and Paul Belien are friends of Pajamas Media (indeed, Charles was a co-founder), I have sat out their “blog war.” I can’t stay silent anymore.

In today’s Washington Times, Paul Belien has a terrific piece on Hitler’s surprisingly positive view of Islam. Johnson should read it and call a truce.

Here’s the back story: Johnson accused Belien and his band of associating with “neo-nazis”—i.e. the Vlaams Belang, Belgium’s largest voter getter in the most recent national election. Johnson seems to think that the Vlaams Belang is some tiny poisonous fringe, like the followers of Larouche.

In truth, it enjoys the largest support of any party in Belgium because it alone violates the political correct cordon that protects radical Islam in Europe. The party is the sole defender of the embattled Jews in Antwerp, who are regularly attacked by Muslim immigrants. The party has complained about the rising violent crime rate that bedevils Belgium—and there is little reason to doubt official statistics that Muslim immigrants are behind this horrifying rise in violent attacks. And so on.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hitler; hitlerandislam; iraq; islam; israel; miniter; redjihad; wot

1 posted on 11/09/2007 2:03:01 AM PST by drzz
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To: drzz

IIRC - Arafats uncle was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, WWII era. He was personally acquianted with Hitler and had visited Hitler in Germany.

2 posted on 11/09/2007 2:10:03 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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3 posted on 11/09/2007 2:12:40 AM PST by drzz
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To: drzz
Yeah I thought so.

Islam is nothing but a hate group. I can't understand why liberals support it . . . other than liberalism is a mental disease.

4 posted on 11/09/2007 2:16:49 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
"IIRC - Arafats uncle was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, WWII era. He was personally acquianted with Hitler and had visited Hitler in Germany."

Yes he was. Here is an article on that. And here's a excerpt:

The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini was later the notorious Nazi who mixed Nazi propaganda and Islam. He was wanted for war crimes in Bosnia by Yugoslavia. His mix of militant propagandizing Islam was an inspriation for both Yasser Arafat and Saddam Husein: He was also a close relative of Yasser Arafat and grandfather of the current Temple Mount Mufti. "Arafat's actual name was Abd al-Rahman abd al-Bauf Arafat al-Qud al-Husseini. He shortened it to obscure his kinship with the notorious Nazi and ex-Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini." Howard M. Sachar, A HISTORY OF ISRAEL (New York: Knopf, 1976). The Bet Agron International Center in Jerusalem interviewed Arafat's brother and sister, who described the Mufti as a cousin (family member) with tremendous influence on young Yassir after the Mufti returned from Berlin to Cairo. Yasser Arafat himself keeps his exact lineage and birthplace secret. Saddam Hussein was raised in the house of his uncle Khayrallah Tulfah, who was a leader in the Mufti's pro-Nazi coup in Iraq in May 1941.

5 posted on 11/09/2007 2:30:35 AM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

The only important difference between Nazi-ism, Fascism, Communism,
Socialism and Liberalism is the spelling, and that the last group hasn’t
got the brains to figure it out.
- Bill Vance

I would add Islamo-fascism to the above quote.

6 posted on 11/09/2007 2:39:36 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: drzz
Until recently I was clueless as to the strength and scope of the Islam-Nazi connection during Hitler's reign until reading Roy Schoeman's Salvation Is from the Jews: The Role of Judaism in Salvation History. A large chunk of the book is devoted to this subject. Chilling stuff.
7 posted on 11/09/2007 2:41:45 AM PST by AHerald ("Be faithful to God ... do not bother about the ridicule of the foolish." - St. Pio of Pietrelcina)
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8 posted on 11/09/2007 2:47:17 AM PST by sure_fine (• " not one to over kill the thought process " •)
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To: drzz
nazis and islamics are nothing more than death cults. America destroyed the nazis. One can only hope America destroys the islamics to the point where islamics will receive the near same footnote to history as the nazis.
9 posted on 11/09/2007 3:46:47 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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To: drzz

The Nazis raised two+ Muslim Waffen SS Divisions during the war. These were the only true “religious” SS Division the Nazis ever created (and it is safe to say that the Germany was not a Muslim nation). Himmler was fascinated by the thought of Muslims to be fearless soldiers willing to kill for their religion. One of these Muslim Waffen SS divisions (The Hanjer Division) was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.

10 posted on 11/09/2007 5:37:36 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: drzz
Charles is waiting for the surfer boy majority to rise up in Europe against the Islamists.


Not that Charles is too bright about these things, but who does he think would physically rise up first against the Islamists? Discount shoppers? Or people interested and holding ideological views rooted in recent history? Doh!

European state socialism has bleached out, stomped out, bought out the masses. They are are consumers. The political environment is a donut with mass mush in the center, if anything, and a circle of extremes. Charles believes it not to be so, but it is. Unless Charles wants to take off his fairy pants and mix it up with the Islamists, he's going to have to accept those that do the work. He kind of reminds me of the time myself and another went to a house to do some work, but the person was so anal retentive they wouldn't let us in. The interior was perfect museum of white carpet and glass Hummels. We were fine and in my experience near nigh nancys about cleanliness. So we left and it didn't get done. That's where Charles is.

11 posted on 11/09/2007 5:53:39 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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12 posted on 11/09/2007 6:11:32 AM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: drzz; ex-Texan; Convert from ECUSA; Salem; familyop; F15Eagle; SJackson; dennisw; Yehuda; Nachum; ..
Al-Husseini met with Adolf Eichmann in Palestine in 1937 and subsequently went on the Nazi payroll as a Nazi agent.

Amin Al Husseini in Bagdad with Rashid Al-Qailani, Leader of the (failed) pro-Nazi coup in Iraq in 1941.

Iraq April-May 1941 British forces counter Axis forces and their supporters (German, Italian, Iraqi Nationalist and Vichy French).

In 1941, the Mufti inspired a pro-Nazi coup in Iraq led by General Rashid Ali. Collaborating with his masters in Berlin, he would declare a Jihad against Britain, which he called "the greatest foe of Islam." The British backed a successful counter-coup and the Mufti proceeded on to Berlin, where he was appointed by the Nazis as titular head of a Nazi pan-Arab government-in-exile.

Hajj Amin al-Husseini in the company of German SS and Bosnian members of the Waffen-SS during an official visit to Bosnia, ca. 1943.

Waffen SS recruitment poster for Bosnian Moslems.

November 28th, 1941 The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, meets Hitler for the first time in the Reich chancellery. The Grand Mufti, accompanied by several Nazi officials, greets Hitler with a salute. The narrator notes that because of his nationalist politics the British put a price of 25,000 pounds on his head. As the war progressed, Husseini became more involved with Germany and its anti-Jewish policies: in the spring of 1943 he recruited 20,000 Bosnian Muslims in Croatia to serve in Waffen-SS units, and that same year he established the Arab Institute for Research into the Jewish Question in Berlin. He fled to Egypt in 1946 and was never prosecuted.

Waffen SS Muslim Division Handschar - 1943

Al-Husayni inspects Islamic Waffen SS recruits

On right, Kosovar Albanian Muslim Nazir Hodic, a member of the Nazi SS Division Handzar in Bosnia. On left is Rudi Sommemer, the commander of the Nazi SS Albanian Battalion, 6/28 in Handzar. Hodic is shown wearing the Albanian skull cap issued by the SS with a Nazi swastika on his collar.

German SS General, Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig, commander of the Nazi SS Division Handzar in Bosnia. He is shown wearing the Albanerfez, or national Albanian skull cap made by the SS for the Nazi Albanian Kosovar Muslims in the division.

Nazi SS Division Handzar

Himmler greeting Grand Mufti al-Husseini.

Himmler: "Muslims responded to the call of Muslim leaders and joined our side because of their hatred of our joint Jewish-English-Bolshevik enemies, and because of their belief and respect for, above all -- Our Fuehrer."

Himmler greeting the pro-Axis Grand Mufti al-Husseini

The reasons for the recruitment in particular of Croatian Muslims by the SS were many-fold. For one, Himmler was fascinated by the Islamic faith, and thought Muslims to be fearless soldiers. Himmler also subscribed to the propaganda theory that Croatians (and therefore the Croatian Muslims) were not, in fact, Slavic people, but actually of Aryan (Gothic) descent, and thereby acceptable to the racially "pure" SS. The fact that this ludicrous theory would not hold up to any kind of serious scrutiny was conveniently ignored.

Finally, the Germans were hoping to rally the World's 350 million Muslims to their side, in a struggle against the British Empire. The creation of a Muslim, albeit European Muslim Division, was considered a stepping stone to this greater end.

Adolf Hitler approved of Himmler's idea on February 13th 1943. Prior to the formation of the division, however, approval also had to be granted by the Croatian government, as their citizens were to be recruited, and on Croatian territory. The Croatian Poglavnik, Ante Pavelic, and his ministers had many problems with the idea, but eventually agreed to the division's creation on March 5th 1943. The divisional strength reached the required 26,000 men by mid 1943, though not all men were volunteers (some being begged, bribed and outright kidnapped into service). Also, 2,800 of the men were Catholic Croatians and not Muslim.

13 posted on 11/10/2007 5:21:36 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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Correct on Charles who I still like with his LGF blog. If it takes neo-Nazi types to get Muslims out of Europe then so be it. Being Jewish I’m supposed to be offended by nazis of any type but I’m not if they can provide some spine and resistance to Islam.

Which is worse for Europe?
Islam or these neo-nazi lite guys?
Islam is worse
And bring in the soccer hooligans too. They’ll know what to do with this foreign body of Muslims. Worship false prophets at your own peril. Why do we cut such idiots any slack? Worshiping false prophet and phony god-allah is about as dumb as it gets. I could care less about such stupidity if it wasn’t being aggressive everywhere against non-Muslims

14 posted on 11/10/2007 5:38:36 AM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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I don’t doubt that the fundamental instinct that allowed/something the Nazis to arise, and Communist to still be in existence, that this is still entrenched in the European soul. But I would never, ever expect the Nazi to return.

I obviously like politics. I like to talk to Europeans, about their view, and I am often defending the US to them. I am always shocked on the opinions that they hold, and when I did just a little bit the shallow sources and group think.

Their media, with the exception of little read financial papers make CNN/New York Times/The Nation look right wing. For the average EUer is constant immersion in left thought.

One of the things that really worries me is that the European elites are more disturbed by any domestic popular spirit than they are by the Islamists. I get the feeling that they would, and the Islamist would love, that they would pair up with the Muslims against their own. The book.

Brains get hard wired. When your main learning tool is a Mein Kamph babblefest like the Koran is. When your main language is Arabic, another flowery, vague, dream language. When you grow up in a culture, ahem, that doesn’t translate books, doesn’t take in new ideas, doesn’t have for 600 million people one single world class university. This is what you get. Masses that are frustrated because their Central Processing Unit is not compatible with Western logic code. It is not for nothing that adult, unlearned, feeling based ex-Cons take up Islam. It's perfect for emotional, violent losers.

15 posted on 11/10/2007 6:03:54 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: Leisler

Excellent post. Your mama didn’t raise a fool

I will add what is obvious-
Islam is illogical and poetic. Same for Islamic cultures. The Koran has an illogical, non-chronological order of longest verse to shortest verse and the culture emulates that

Northern European Christianity leads to science and logic, progress and rational prosaic thought. Not all North Europeans are logical but enough were and are to make for a civilization that advances. Even the scientists that Islam claims as its own were mostly learned men from nations that Muslims conquered

Here is a Muslim scientist who was full Muslim and advanced human knowledge-—>>

16 posted on 11/10/2007 7:53:21 AM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: Leisler

I would say 85% of humans and 85% of cultures operate primarily from emotion and 15% operate primarily from logic and intellect

17 posted on 11/10/2007 7:57:21 AM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: dennisw
(insert Elmer Fudd voice) I learn very...very...slo.oowly. For most of human history you didn’t have to out think much but a fish, or a dear, or frost on turnips.

We are moving into a post physical work world. I saw the furnace guy come with a gas spectrum analyzer to check the efficiency of the furnace. 20 years ago, that existed only in university labs. Now a shot and a beer guy is using it.

So, stuff is filtering down. Liberals like to think of the noble(ism) of physical work, but anyone doing it prays for any labor savings device. And if you don’t the other guy is getting one and putting you out of business.

I think we are in the Model-T era of computers and the Internet. We don’t know how they will shape and transform.

Bigger picture. The Asians make everything, we think it up, and where do Arabs fit in?

Social Darwinism bearing down on poor fit cultures can be ugly.

18 posted on 11/10/2007 8:35:25 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: drzz

Many Nazis fled to the Middle East, particularly Egypt, Syria, and Iran. Saddam Hussein was a big admirer of Hitler and Stalin.

19 posted on 11/12/2007 6:19:09 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Bunnies=Sodomites)
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