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On This Day In History - November 8, 1887: John Henry "Doc" Holliday Dies Of Tuberculosis
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Posted on 11/08/2007 6:58:23 AM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER
What is that now? Twelve hands in a row? Holliday, son of a bitch, nobody's that lucky.
Why Ike, whatever do you mean? Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
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posted on
11/08/2007 7:32:35 AM PST
by
FishTale
To: backhoe
Yep, the "White Death" was a real killer back in the day. For some reason the Celts seem particularly susceptible. I had many cousins (several times removed - back in the 1880s and 90s) who had it and died from it or some other form like scrofula (TB of the lymph nodes) or TB of the spine. Dr. Sam Johnson had scrofula (a/k/a 'the King's evil') and was one of the last people to be 'touched for the Evil' by Queen Anne. She was the last British monarch to perform this ceremony.
A very unpleasant disease, quite unlike the portrayals in La Boheme, etc.
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posted on
11/08/2007 7:36:18 AM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: DogByte6RER
—IIRC, Doc’s mother died of TB -—
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posted on
11/08/2007 7:36:59 AM PST
by
rellimpank
(--we need a special font for <b>SARCASM</b>--NRA benefactor)
To: DogByte6RER
To: FishTale
“You know, Frederick F*ucking Chopin!”
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posted on
11/08/2007 7:54:46 AM PST
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: AnAmericanMother
My grandmother called it “galloping consumption”
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posted on
11/08/2007 8:10:29 AM PST
by
jesseam
(Been there and done that!)
To: AnAmericanMother
My grandmother called it “galloping consumption”
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posted on
11/08/2007 8:10:30 AM PST
by
jesseam
(Been there and done that!)
To: AnAmericanMother
My Dad caught TB right after he got out of college-circa 1912-- and it just about killed him before he shook it off.
One of the strange things he noticed ( besides wasting from 165 pounds to about 120 ) was that while his strength stayed intact, his endurance went down to nearly nothing.
In those days, it was a "you kill it, or it kills you" proposition.
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posted on
11/08/2007 8:12:50 AM PST
by
backhoe
(Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
To: DogByte6RER
When somebody who has TB is contagious, the virus is passed...TB is not caused by a virus. Back to school for you.
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posted on
11/08/2007 8:16:22 AM PST
by
Rudder
To: backhoe
Did he go to the mountains or the desert, or did he just gut it out?
Back before isoniazid, it really was a "wait it out" proposition. I'm glad your daddy beat it before it beat him.
Exhaustion is one of the first symptoms - can't lift your head off the pillow type exhaustion.
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posted on
11/08/2007 8:21:10 AM PST
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AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: jesseam
“Galloping consumption” was the “kills you quick” variety of TB.
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posted on
11/08/2007 8:24:48 AM PST
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AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: AnAmericanMother
Did he go to the mountains or the desert, or did he just gut it out?gut it out is as good a description as any- he was so poor, he had to keep working as a lineman for Stone & Webster. The only "treatment" back then was moving to a warm, dry climate, like Arizona!
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posted on
11/08/2007 8:27:51 AM PST
by
backhoe
(Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
To: DogByte6RER
Tucson had many TB sanitariums during the early part of the 20th century. There was one that was located a couple of blocks east of the U of A. It was torn down in the late 70’s. TB sanitariums were very common in the Rocky Mountain states.
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posted on
11/08/2007 8:31:15 AM PST
by
wjcsux
(Islam: The religion of choice for those who are too stupid for Scientology)
To: DogByte6RER
Scene from John Ford's "My Darling Clementine".
Outstanding western flick.
..Wyatt Earp (Henry Fonda) and Holiday (Victor Mature)
To: backhoe
Probably working as a lineman in the open air saved him.
So many things in those days were touch and go -- most of us would be dead a couple of times over if we'd lived back then.
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posted on
11/08/2007 9:05:45 AM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: DogByte6RER
Holliday's dental school graduation photo, age 20, 1872 So it remains at least a possibility that at some point in his youth, Holliday may have crossed paths with Orrin Porter Rockwell, [June 1815 June 9, 1878] the so-called Destroying Angel who served occasionally as bodyguard for Mormon leaders Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
Shotguns actually owned by Holliday share both overall similarities and a couple of special features with two known to have been used by *Ole Port.* That suggests either a personal association, though close study might be another answer. But I do not think it's *just* a coincidence.
Ironically, the shotgun used by Holliday at the Tombstone O.K> Corral shootout wasn't his own, but had been borrowed by Earp brother Virgil from the Wells Fargo office on Allen street, then given to Holliday, who was wearing a long frock coat and could conceal it better than Virgil.
Virgil always was a more practical and more experienced lawman than his brother Wyatt....
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posted on
11/08/2007 9:17:31 AM PST
by
archy
(Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
To: archy
So it remains at least a possibility that at some point in his youth, Holliday may have crossed paths with Orrin Porter Rockwell, [June 1815 June 9, 1878] the so-called Destroying Angel who served occasionally as bodyguard for Mormon leaders Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.I can't wait to look this guy up!
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posted on
11/08/2007 9:46:19 AM PST
by
xsrdx
(Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
To: xsrdx
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posted on
11/08/2007 9:56:48 AM PST
by
archy
(Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
To: AnAmericanMother
Probably working as a lineman in the open air saved him. So many things in those days were touch and go -- most of us would be dead a couple of times over if we'd lived back then.Dad liked to say "it weeded out the weaklings," and I guess he was right- he was one of twelve children, and roughly half of his siblings died before they reached adulthood, of diseases many people today have never even heard about.
Of course, "death by misadventure" was really common then, too-- when Miss Emily worked at the church, the old records there listed an astounding number of members who died from falls.
Down stairs, off ladders, roofs, and the masts of ships.
The "old days" weren't quite as nice as some would have you believe.
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posted on
11/08/2007 10:15:07 AM PST
by
backhoe
(Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
To: backhoe
Since I was a history major with a specialty in military history, I never had ANY illusions about the "good old days". Of my great-great grandfather's nine children, only one lived into middle age (fortunately my great-grandfather had the good sense to beget my grandmother before he died at age 26).
Give me modern surgery, antiobiotics, and obstetrical practice EVERY time. I'd probably be dead if it weren't for modern medicine!
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posted on
11/08/2007 10:25:32 AM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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