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Why today's libertarians get no respect -- and how to help them get some
The Prometheus Institute ^ | 11/7/2007 | Marty Beckerman

Posted on 11/07/2007 9:35:46 AM PST by tang0r

Yes, under libertarianism the world is free of authoritarian bitching. However, there’s no such thing as “under libertarianism,” and there never will be, for one simple reason: pure libertarian economics are galaxies away from the American mainstream. Although many Americans—especially the young folks—are receptive to the live-and-let-live philosophy (“do whatever you want as long as you don’t harm anyone else”), the vast majority find hardcore social Darwinism ludicrous. If libertarians want to extend their reach beyond the stoner ghetto, they must accept the fact that civil rights are far more vital than sparing billionaires from inheritance taxes.

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TOPICS: Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: libertarian; philosophy; thirdparty
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1 posted on 11/07/2007 9:35:48 AM PST by tang0r
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To: tang0r

I am a social libertarian, but a conservative of foreign policy, hence, conservatarian. Libertarians aren’t taken seriously because they are not interested in defeating islamofascism.


2 posted on 11/07/2007 9:41:52 AM PST by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Perdogg

a larryeldertarian?


3 posted on 11/07/2007 9:43:36 AM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom

I agree with Larry about 80 to 90% of the time. I like Larry, I wish he would run for the Senate in California.


4 posted on 11/07/2007 9:45:28 AM PST by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: tang0r

I think The Libertarian party would have more general appeal to Americans (who I think are natually libertarian in many outlooks) if it was not so focused on ‘pot for everyone’ and ‘isolationism for America’.


5 posted on 11/07/2007 9:45:40 AM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: tang0r

Well, here we go again, time to drum up the usual Libertarian stereotypes, ad-hominem remarks, and the obligatory marijuana pic.


6 posted on 11/07/2007 9:46:43 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: tang0r
Why today's libertarians get no respect

think Ron Paul

7 posted on 11/07/2007 9:47:25 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: tang0r

Libertarians aren’t taken seriously because they oppose big government and thus very few want to run. This causes very few of their messages to make it to mainstream and only the outrageous ones, ie: drugs and isolationism, make it to the mainstream.


8 posted on 11/07/2007 9:50:34 AM PST by Julius2
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To: tang0r
Should we play the libertarian thread drinking game?

We've already got one "you libertarians just want to smoke drugs" post, so that's worth one.
9 posted on 11/07/2007 9:50:36 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Not a marajuana pic, but how's this?


10 posted on 11/07/2007 9:51:51 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote ("Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.")
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To: tang0r
stoner ghetto

LOL

11 posted on 11/07/2007 9:52:36 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: tang0r
government services don't have to be replaced by companies. They can be replaced by non profits and religious institutions.

Public schools are necessary for civilization

ummm no.
12 posted on 11/07/2007 9:53:15 AM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: tang0r

Question for the class: Why do so many libertarians work for government agencies at various levels?


13 posted on 11/07/2007 9:54:19 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: mysterio

How about...Armed liberals that don’t want to pay taxes?


14 posted on 11/07/2007 9:55:34 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: tang0r

The Libertarian Party can’t overcome its own built in destructive mechanisms, any more than the Confederacy could do so during the Civil War, when it was fighting for its existence.

The problem isn’t the ideas, the problem is the hardcore libertarian base won’t acknowledge its inherent flaws as it applies to the average voters as a whole. When its suggested, they behave as if you’ve asked them to renounce ‘God’.

Too many self professed Libertarians would rather ‘die of a theory’ than make realistic adjustments to policy and political stance that would allow a successful national campaign.

Perot, warts and all, demonstrated conclusively a third party candidate, if rational and running on a common sense platform, can indeed be successful. That he managed to accomplish more in basically one calendar year politically than the LP has in its entire existence speaks volumes.


15 posted on 11/07/2007 9:56:47 AM PST by Badeye (Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Why do so many libertarians work for government agencies at various levels?

I'd like to see about 100 of them working as Senators.
16 posted on 11/07/2007 10:02:10 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Vaquero

Ron Paul killed the Internet.


17 posted on 11/07/2007 10:02:53 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: tang0r
This a straw-man argument. Most people who self-describe as libertarian are not anarcho-capitalists.

Sure, there are kooks who self-describe as libertarians. Certainly the Libertarian Party has a large kook fringe, but the kook percentage in the LP is no larger than that of Democrat Party. If you combine the percentage of crooks and egregious hypocrits with the kooks of the Republican Party, it’s comparable with the LP as well.

I know that’s argument by assertion. I don’t have any data to substantiate my assertions, but the argument in the foregoing paragraph is no less specious than Marty Beckerman’s criticism of libertarianism.

But I agree with Beckerman that “pure libertarian economics are galaxies away from the American mainstream”. Americans want their welfare checks, free medical treatment, free childcare (pre-K to graduate school), subsidies, prohibitions and national preeminence more than they want their liberty.

18 posted on 11/07/2007 10:14:17 AM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: tang0r

Fun rant. I didn’t like how he lumped in the Old Right, which actually enjoyed political successes, with libertarianism.


19 posted on 11/07/2007 10:26:42 AM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: AzSteven
I think The Libertarian party would have more general appeal to Americans (who I think are natually libertarian in many outlooks) if it was not so focused on ‘pot for everyone’ and ‘isolationism for America’.

Agreed, although the 'pot for everyone' stereotype is a bit off-base: hyped by WOsD dogmatists in both major parties. The 'isolationism for America' view, however, is a deal-breaker, and the major reason why I could never support Ron Paul for any office.

20 posted on 11/07/2007 10:34:26 AM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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