Posted on 11/07/2007 7:54:06 AM PST by BGHater
TAIPEI, Taiwan -- Taiwan has shipped one billion rifle bullets to the United States for NT$560 million in a rare arms sale to the United States, it was reported yesterday.
The 5.56 mm bullets are mainly used to replenish supplies which have run low after wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Taipei-based China Times reported, citing a military source.
Taiwan's defence ministry last year beat off competition from the likes of Singapore and South Korea to win the five-year contract from a U.S. military subcontractor, it was reported.
In a separate deal, the China Times said the Taiwanese Army plans to purchase 60 UH-60M Black Hawk transport helicopters from Washington for NT$71.7 billion.
The US is the leading arms supplier to Taiwan -- something China objects to -- with Beijing regarding the island as part of its territory awaiting reunification, by force if necessary.
Taiwan has been seeking more advanced weaponry amid China's repeated threats to invade.
Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian last week accused China of provoking the island by targeting it with nearly 1,000 missiles.
Tensions between Taipei and Beijing escalated since the independence leaning leader was elected president in 2000. He was narrowly re-elected in 2004.
Lead and copper are relatively soft, and won’t eat up the rifling carved inside the barrel.
It's a lousy round against personnel, especially coming out of 16" barrels or less.
I doubt much if any of this will be making its way into the hands of civilians.
But bullets are also made with steel. We don’t know if these are hollowed, lead or jacketed. Since you volunteered info, I thought you knew what company it was.
A year or so ago, Wolf was $200 per 1k. Lake city is, ugh..
I was speaking generally, not specifically. Sorry for the confusion.
So this would be subject to the Berry Amendment. Which is probably why this company won this contract from a U.S. military subcontractor and not directly from the DOD.
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You usually know stuff which is why I followed up with you.
Bullets are not made of steel (unless you have some alloy harder than steel for your gun barrel).
These bullets would have been manufactured to mil-spec and full copper metal jacket would have been called for.
Are you saying post 22 is not correct?
Taiwan is an ally. It’s doubtful their quality would be intentionally questionable when they also rely upon US hardware as their primary defense.
5.56mm SS-109 ammunition (NATO green-tip) has a steel core and penetrator surrounded by a lead slug and jacketed in copper. They’re real good for punching through cheap body armor, engine blocks, or bone.
No, I am saying the bullets have to be made to mil-spec. So the quality of the round should not be in question.
I am also saying from a simple understanding of guns and ballistics, you cant have the alloy making contact with the barrel be harder than the barrel, unless you want to replace the barrel faster than the bullets.
There are many “specialty” rounds that do many different things, and if the military has contracted a high penetration round with a steel tip or other feature that does not contact the barrel when fired, then thats what they did. In general that doesn’t make it a ‘steel’ bullet.
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
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Ammoman $339.00 $00.00 $339.00 OUT OF STOCK Ammoman
Ammunition To Go 399.95 17.90 417.85 OUT OF STOCK Ammunition To Go
Cheaper Than Dirt 398.50 18.59 417.09 OUT OF STOCK Cheaper Than Dirt
Collector Rifle 309.90 17.20 327.10 OUT OF STOCK Collector Rifle
Natchez 424.50 20.72 445.22 OUT OF STOCK Natchez
Outdoor Marksman 364.50 20.41 384.91 OUT OF STOCK Outdoor Marksman
Sportsman's Guide 299.97 16.99 316.96 OUT OF STOCK Sportsman's Guide
Widener's 295.00 16.25 311.25 OUT OF STOCK Widener's
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
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AIM Surplus $325.00 $13.00 $338.00 AIM Surplus
Ammoman 299.00 $00.00 299.00 OUT OF STOCK Ammoman
Armory 229.99 17.00 246.99 OUT OF STOCK Armory
Outdoor Marksman 298.50 21.40 319.90 OUT OF STOCK Outdoor Marksman
Sportsman's Guide 319.97 17.99 327.96 OUT OF STOCK Sportsman's Guide
Widener's 320.00 16.25 346.25 Widener's
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
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Ammoman $219.00 $00.00 $219.00 OUT OF STOCK Ammoman
Ammunition To Go 439.95 17.90 457.85 Ammunition To Go
Armory 449.49 19.00 468.49 Armory
Bass Pro 299.50 13.50 313.00 OUT OF STOCK Bass Pro
Midway 459.99 18.00 477.99 Midway
Natchez 244.50 21.40 265.90 OUT OF STOCK Natchez
Outdoor Marksman 479.50 22.55 502.05 Outdoor Marksman
Widener's 254.00 14.25 268.25 OUT OF STOCK Widener's
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
---------------- ------- ------ ------- ---------------- --------------
AIM Surplus $170.00 $13.00 $183.00 OUT OF STOCK AIM Surplus
Ammoman 399.00 00.00 399.00 OUT OF STOCK Ammoman
Ammunition To Go 599.75 22.27 622.02 Ammunition To Go
Outdoor Marksman 429.50 22.55 452.05 OUT OF STOCK Outdoor Marksman
Sportsman's Guide 416.63 16.99 433.62 OUT OF STOCK Sportsman's Guide
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
---------------- ------- ------ ------- ---------------- --------------
Ammoman 399.00 00.00 399.00 OUT OF STOCK Ammoman
Ammunition To Go 225.00 17.90 242.90 OUT OF STOCK Ammunition To Go
Collector Rifle 299.00 17.20 316.20 OUT OF STOCK Collector Rifle
Natchez 299.95 21.81 321.76 OUT OF STOCK Natchez
Outdoor Marksman 189.95 21.40 211.35 OUT OF STOCK Outdoor Marksman
Widener's 300.00 14.25 314.25 OUT OF STOCK Widener's
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
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Ammoman $229.00 $00.00 $229.00 OUT OF STOCK Ammoman
Ammunition To Go 449.95 22.90 472.85 Ammunition To Go
Cheaper Than Dirt 348.00 17.59 365.59 OUT OF STOCK Cheaper Than Dirt
Natchez 324.50 21.88 346.38 OUT OF STOCK Natchez
Outdoor Marksman 379.50 15.81 395.31 OUT OF STOCK Outdoor Marksman
Sportsman's Guide 337.94 19.99 357.93 OUT OF STOCK Sportsman's Guide
Widener's 350.00 22.25 372.25 OUT OF STOCK Widener's
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
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AIM Surplus $219.90 $13.00 $232.90 AIM Surplus
Ammoman 249.00 00.00 249.00 Ammoman
Ammunition To Go 229.95 16.90 249.85 Ammunition To Go
Armory 155.98 17.00 172.98 OUT OF STOCK Armory
Cabela's 194.99 17.75 212.74 OUT OF STOCK Cabelas
Centerfire Systems 144.16 18.95 163.11 OUT OF STOCK Centerfire Systems
Cheaper Than Dirt 201.00 15.59 216.59 OUT OF STOCK Cheaper Than Dirt
Collector Rifle 164.95 17.20 182.15 OUT OF STOCK Collector Rifle
Midway 199.99 18.00 217.99 OUT OF STOCK Midway
Outdoor Marksman 199.50 16.12 215.62 OUT OF STOCK Outdoor Marksman
Sportsman's Guide 219.97 15.99 235.96 Sportsman's Guide
Widener's 198.00 16.25 214.25 OUT OF STOCK Widener's
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
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Cabela's $279.96 $19.75 $299.71 OUT OF STOCK Cabelas
Fulton Armory 264.95 00.00 264.95 OUT OF STOCK Fulton Armory
Kiser Munitions 259.00 00.00 259.00 OUT OF STOCK jospeh@kiser.com
Northwest Loading 279.98 26.65 306.63 OUT OF STOCK Northwest Loading Supply
mil spec includes the steel being made in USA.
Thx
Yes.
Aren’t bullets made of steel?
No.
If you know the actual spec I would not argue with you...but mil-specs are things that few people spend time reading as they aren’t generally entertaining.
They have steel in them.
I propose a much larger caliber.
The MIL Specs include the Berry Amendment.
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