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Wal-Mart Sells $199 Linux Computer
www.physorg.com ^ | 10/31/2007 | PETER SVENSSON

Posted on 11/05/2007 12:19:20 PM PST by Red Badger

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To: Omedalus
The next step in that process is cruising usenet to find drivers for the video card, finding them, installing them, discovering they don’t work, finding the source code for the drivers, installing developer tools so I can rebuild it myself...

Again, that is a blast from the past comment from about 1999.

101 posted on 11/07/2007 4:21:33 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: steve86

relevance.


102 posted on 11/07/2007 4:22:49 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: steve86
A desktop user picks a distro and sticks with it. Will never need to know about ldd as the updates occur nearly automatically in the background.

That opinion holds until the next major revision of the distribution rolls around. Sometimes the "upgrade" option does the job, sometimes it doesn't. When it fails, there is much work to recover user data and system configuration to apply to a fresh installation of the new distribution. The average user doesn't even bother to do backups. Just wipe it slick and start again.

The rabid gamers will gravitate to Windows as that is the primary supported platform. The "average Joe" doesn't do anything really important with a desktop computer. If it has e-mail, a browser, internet messaging and the ability to print, it is probably good enough. Any Windows or Linux offering will cover that level of requirements.

103 posted on 11/07/2007 4:51:46 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: rattrap; BJClinton

geek ping


104 posted on 11/07/2007 4:52:52 PM PST by FredHead47 (KIMI = World Champion 2007)
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To: Red Badger

Fry’s had a $100 Linux machine a few years ago.

People would wipe the Linux off and put their windows operating systems on.


105 posted on 11/07/2007 4:54:35 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: steve86
Again, that is a blast from the past comment from about 1999.

Sure it is. That's why my project had to hunt for a compatible video card for Centos4 when the existing card failed. Centos4 tracks Red Hat Enterprise releases, yet is still finicky about what video cards are acceptable. We had to buy one off the list of acceptable hardware. The spare we had on hand wasn't on the list and didn't work. That happened in April 2007, not 1999.

106 posted on 11/07/2007 4:59:08 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: A CA Guy
I did just the opposite. My local computer surplus shop had HP ePC "shoebox" sized computers with a 13 GB hard disk and Windows XP Pro for $199. I pulled the hard disk and upgraded to a 300 GB. I bumped the memory from 128MB to 256MB. The first Fedora 5 load was done from multiple CDROMs. Upgrade to Fedora Core 7 was tricky as the boot ROM was incapable of handling the DVD only format. The workaround was to put the syslinux stuff from the DVD onto the /boot directory of the hard disk to provide USB drivers. An entry to help GRUB find the syslinux stuff provided the lauching pad. The ISO image of the DVD from Fedora Core 7 was laid on a USB thumb drive. Problem solved. The Anaconda installer found the distro and the upgrade was underway.
107 posted on 11/07/2007 5:09:42 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
Sure, why not?

PCs are supposed to adapt for our convenience.

108 posted on 11/07/2007 5:11:36 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: RichardW

I don’t have a beef. I have an opinion.

It’s mine, exclusively, and I’m keeping it.

Enjoy your “Vista” of the world.


109 posted on 11/07/2007 7:03:55 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt - get install FRed Thompson)
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To: Myrddin
I did just the opposite. My local computer surplus shop had HP ePC "shoebox" sized computers with a 13 GB hard disk and Windows XP Pro for $199. I pulled the hard disk and upgraded to a 300 GB. I bumped the memory from 128MB to 256MB. The first Fedora 5 load was done from multiple CDROMs. Upgrade to Fedora Core 7 was tricky as the boot ROM was incapable of handling the DVD only format. The workaround was to put the syslinux stuff from the DVD onto the /boot directory of the hard disk to provide USB drivers. An entry to help GRUB find the syslinux stuff provided the lauching pad. The ISO image of the DVD from Fedora Core 7 was laid on a USB thumb drive. Problem solved. The Anaconda installer found the distro and the upgrade was underway.

I keep wanting to try a Linux system, then I read incomprehensible stuff like this. I bought a computer that had linux on it, and I, being raised on Windoze, was unable to launch much of anything, and I couldn't find stuff. I was lost. So I wiped it. I downloaded Ubuntu once, but something was amiss, and I gave up on it. The live OS on disk sounds promising, but not if I ever have to understand the above paragraph. Linux users, go ahead and laugh at me.

110 posted on 11/07/2007 8:10:32 PM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Distraction on my Head")
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To: papasmurf

You’ll keep it for a while and then you will change. There is no good reason not to. You can get a good Vista equipped machine for $400. Already loaded for bear. What’s the point of impeding progress? A lot of people said the automobile was only a passing fad as well. You got any horses?


111 posted on 11/07/2007 8:55:01 PM PST by RichardW
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To: Big Giant Head

I tried Linux too. I had my XP system with a double boot option and fooled around with it. It’s good but certainly not better than Vista. Just pull the monitor and other equipment off the XP machine, stick a new Vista box in there ready and already loaded and you’re good to go. You will love it. I heard all the negatives and they were all wrong. It is a great system.

These work arounds and manipulating of old machines is silly. I would have spent more to upgrade my old XP system than I spent for a brand new dual core Vista system which I now have. It made no financial sense. And besides a 3-4 year old machine is functionally obsolete anyway. It’s time to move on anyway.


112 posted on 11/07/2007 8:59:59 PM PST by RichardW
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To: RichardW

$400.00? LOL Loaded for bear? BWahhaaa

Here’s the one I just built for a home server...

Supermicro X7DBN
Dual XeonMBoard
Dual 64-bit Xeon 5160 CPUs
1333MHz FSB
32GB DDR2 667
Dual-port Gigabit Ethernet
6xSATA
Intel 5000P (Blackford) Chipset

An absolute bargain for $2200.00. I’ll prolly sell it w/Kubuntu, Groupware, and Webmin installed for around $4500.00.

Interested?


113 posted on 11/07/2007 9:21:01 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt - get install FRed Thompson)
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To: Big Giant Head
Go to the Knoppix website www.knoppix.net and download the current live DVD or CDROM image. Burn it to the appropriate media, then configure your system to boot from the CDROM/DVD. You will have a nicely integrated Linux system at your fingertips. I carry one of those DVDs in my Windows laptop case.

If you don't have network connectivity, you can go to the book store and pick up a variety of distributions with books and DVD ready to go. Alternatively, you can order almost any distribution from discountlinuxdvd.com. You'll have ready to use disks in your mailbox before you could download the images from a website. Dirt cheap as well.

It looks like a lot of new stuff to learn. It is. I've trained many UNIX system administrators since 1980. Some of them have already retired...and they were new employees. Even the bright ones require about two years of working daily to be exposed to all the possible issues and resolutions. It's a continuous learning effort as the field grows and changes. Learn what is most important to you first, then add new skills as necessary. You'll find lots of books on the shelf to guide your new interests.

114 posted on 11/07/2007 9:25:39 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: papasmurf
That's a fire breathing dragon. Since you decided to go for 64-bit processors, what is your experience with stability/bugs in the applications? I ran into all manner of ugly issues on the early DEC Alpha machines when porting 32-bit code to run on the 64-bit architecture. That was 15 years ago. I wonder just how much effort has been put into making common applications run correctly on a 64-bit CPU. Much of the current crop of 64-bit machines is being wasted on 32-bit emulation. My wife's laptop has the 64-bit AMD Turion processor, but it runs XP Home...32-bit. We're still waiting to see if MS actually supports 64-bit properly. If that day never comes, I'll track down a 64-bit version of Linux to run on that laptop.
115 posted on 11/07/2007 9:35:37 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: RichardW
And besides a 3-4 year old machine is functionally obsolete anyway. It’s time to move on anyway.

That depends on what you really need. Those shoebox HP machines have 1.7 GHz P4 processors and fast 7200 RPM IDE disks. That's more than adequate for a very healthy Linux system. The gcc and g++ compilers under Fedora Core 7 are leading edge tools. Combine that will good libraries e.g. FFTW and you can do some pretty serious signal processing. They are also quite serviceable as web servers and database servers. The "old" P3 800 running Debian 4.0 serves as the DHCP server for my LAN and as a "build" platform for multiple development projects with literally millions of lines of C/C++.

If your functionality requires the latest high definition video, audio, optical disks and 10Gig Ethernet technology, then you are probably in the market for something fairly recent. Different strokes.

116 posted on 11/07/2007 9:45:47 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: A CA Guy
People would wipe the Linux off and put their windows operating systems on.

Maybe they should have been doing the opposite............

117 posted on 11/08/2007 5:14:28 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: papasmurf

So who needs something like that anyway?


118 posted on 11/08/2007 9:22:52 AM PST by RichardW
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To: Myrddin

Thanks. I’m kind of interested because I buy and sell used computers and I don’t want to put any of my licenses on these that will eventually leave the building.

Currently, I’m setting up a computer for one of my bosses so he can have internet at work. This will be a work application and will deal with suppliers webpages. Some of THOSE require IE 6.0 or later. Is there a way...?


119 posted on 11/08/2007 4:30:51 PM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Distraction on my Head")
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To: Big Giant Head
My local Computer Surplus Depot in Pocatello sells lots of used computers. That was the origin of my two "shoebox" HP ePCs. They have a supply of Windows XP OEM disks and a bulk purchase of certificates of authority to affix to each machine they sell. That meets the needs of most of their customers. Give Kris a call at 208-233-1428. He can probably point you the right direction for that resource. They are also big Linux advocates at the store. That should fix your requirements for an inexpensive path to install XP for customers that want it. I think they simply use Ghost to lay down a generic image, then install the unique COA key for the computer. The lead technician, Lance, may have the best info on that detail.

Kris runs a good shop. I buy most of my used hardware there. When I'm pressed for time, I pay his techs to slap a machine together. It sounds like you are both in the same line of business.

Make sure you get real IE 6.0 or better for your boss. I use IE 6.0, IE 7.0 and Firefox 2.0.0.9 right now. There are websites at my company that only work correctly with IE 6.0 or better. Firefox does the basic Java applets just fine, but really screws up on accessing the special JSP pages and interpreting the CSS templates used for stuff like the expense reports. Firefox is my daily driver and default browser, but I have to keep IE at the ready for those situations where Firefox fails. I had to go with IE this afternoon to pick up the live streaming from Mark Levin's radio show. That was frequently necessary to stream Drudge from WABC on Sunday nights too.

120 posted on 11/08/2007 5:16:44 PM PST by Myrddin
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