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What's The Damage? Why Banks Are Only Starting to Uncover Their Subprime Losses
Yahoooooo! ^ | November 4, 2007 | Gillian Tett & Paul Davies

Posted on 11/05/2007 6:17:03 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

When Merrill Lynch, the US bank, announced 10 days ago that it was taking $8bn-worth of losses on mortgage-related securities, bankers and regulators around the world reeled in shock. For the writedown was twice the size of the losses that Merrill had forecast just a two and a half weeks earlier - a "staggering" multi-billion dollar gap, as Standard and Poor's, the US credit rating agency, observed.

But last week, investors received an even more staggering set of numbers. As financial analysts perused Merrill's results, some came to the conclusion that the US bank could be forced to make $4bn more write-offs in the coming months.

These calculations were not limited to Merrill: after UBS (NYSE:UBS) unveiled $3.4bn (EU2.3bn, £1.6bn) of third-quarter mortgage-related losses last week, Merrill Lynch analysts warned that the Swiss bank would need to take up to $8bn more losses in the fourth quarter of this year. Meanwhile, Citigroup (NYSE:C)'s share price slumped on rumours that it may need to acknowledge another $10bn of losses.

Such a tsunami of red ink would undoubtedly be shocking at any time. But right now, this news is proving particularly unsettling for investors for two particular reasons. First, the numbers offer an unpleasant reminder that the pain from this summer's credit turmoil is still far from over - contrary to what some bullish American bankers and policymakers were trying to claim a few weeks ago. "To judge from secondary market prices, losses on mortgage inventory are likely to be larger in the fourth quarter than the third quarter," warns Tim Bond, analyst at Barclays Capital, the UK bank.

Second, the write-downs have reminded investors just how little is known about where the bodies from this summer's credit turmoil might lie. Perhaps the most shocking thing about recent announcements is that while big banks might have now written down their mortgage holdings by more than $20bn, this does not appear to capture all the potential losses.

Last week, for example, a US congressional committee warned that over the next year mortgage lenders could foreclose on 2m American homes, destroying $100bn of housing value. And some private sector economists think the total loss from mortgage problems could reach $200bn or more. "What everyone keeps asking is where are those losses sitting - where is the rest of that $100bn?" admitted one senior international policymaker late last month. "The worrying thing is that there still is just so much uncertainty around."

To an extent, this uncertainty reflects the fact that the tangible scale of defaults in the US mortgage arena is still unclear, particularly in that sector of the mortgage market known as "subprime" - loans extended to borrowers with poor credit histories. In the past year, the pace of defaults on subprime loans has risen sharply in America, particularly on mortgages made in 2006 and 2007. However, it is unclear what scale of losses this will eventually produce for banks, since it typically takes several months for lenders to foreclose on loans and then sell a property.

Moreover, it is also very unclear how the pattern of mortgage defaults will develop. While some economists fear that the default ratios could rise sharply in the coming year, others suspect that the US government will force lenders to be lenient towards borrowers. Thus estimates of potential mortgage losses in the subprime sector range from $100bn (according to government figures) to several times that.

However, when it comes to working out the impact on banks, the task becomes even harder. For in recent years, banks have not simply been acquiring subprime loans, they have been repackaging them into complex "asset-backed securities" (ABS) that can be difficult to value. The Bank of England, for example, suggests that on the basis of industry data some $700bn-worth of bonds backed by subprime loans are now in circulation in the world's financial system, with another $600bn of bonds backed by so-called "Alt A" loans, or those with slightly better credit quality.

Moreover, these bonds have then been used to create even more complex securities backed by diversified pools of debt, known as collateralised debt obligations (CDOs). According to the Bank's calculations, for example, some $390bn of CDOs containing a proportion of mortgage debt were issued last year - though the precise level of the subprime component varies.

The multi-layered nature of these complex financial flows means it is hard to assess how defaults by homeowners will affect the value of related securities.

In recent weeks, some credit rating agencies have indeed started to downgrade their ratings of debt: Moody's and S&P, for example, downgraded about $100bn of mortgage-related securities last month. But most analysts think that this "downgrade" process is still at a very early stage - and in tangible terms, that means that subprime defaults have not yet delivered tangible losses for many security investors. "Most CDOs have yet to see many downgrades and there have been almost no actual defaults of the ABS bonds within the CDO portfolios," points out Matt King, analyst at Citigroup. "[But] all that is about to change."

The other big problem that makes it hard to calculate the "real" scale of mortgage-linked losses at banks is that it is often fiendishly hard to get an accurate value for mortgage-linked assets - and thus determine how much prices have fallen so far. In other arenas of finance, such as equities, banks typically value their assets by looking at external markets: the share price of a British company, say, can be calculated within seconds, by glancing at the stock exchange. Mortgage-related securities have not been widely traded in recent years, and in the past couple of months activity has dried up almost completely - meaning there is no market, and thus no market value.

Some banks have tried to get around this problem in the past by developing computer models to work out what the securities "should" be worth. However, these can be very unreliable and vary wildly between different banks. Recent calculations by the Bank of England, for example, show that if tiny changes are made to the type of model typically used by banks to value mortgage-linked debt, the implied price of supposedly "safe" assets can suddenly change by as much as 35 per cent.

As a result, some analysts are now using another technique to work out their mortgage-linked losses, namely, extrapolating from prices based on derivatives indices such as the so-called ABX. For although mortgage bonds have not traded much in recent weeks, derivatives have been bought and sold - meaning that the ABX can offer a trading price.

In recent weeks, this trading price has fallen sharply (see chart), which has increased the pressure on banks to mark their books down. However, the banks have not yet made write-offs as large as the ABX might imply. Merrill Lynch analysts, for example, calculate that mid-quality ABX debt is on average now trading at 40 cents in the dollar. But these analysts say that Merrill Lynch itself has only written this type of debt down to 63 cents in the dollar - and UBS is still assuming this debt is worth 90 cents. "Simple math would imply that UBS needs an additional $8bn write-down [on its $15.4bn holdings] if the ABX pricing is correct," Merrill says.

But the problem is that no one really knows whether these numbers represent the "true" guide to tangible mortgage losses either; some analysts claim, for example, that the ABX is an unreliable guide to price. Moreover, most banks have not actually sold their troubled securities yet in an open market. And while there are reports that some banks have tried to arrange quasi-sales between institutions, on "sweetheart" terms in recent months, the US regulators now appear to be scrutinising these practices too - not least because this could potentially manipulate prices as well.

But if these problems make it hard to calculate the scale of banks' subprime losses, the guesswork becomes even wilder when it comes to other financial groups. As the subprime credit chain has grown in recent years, it has left banks exposed not simply to these assets but to a host of other investment institutions as well, including insurance companies, pension funds and hedge funds. These institutions sometimes use different approaches to reporting their subprime exposures from those adopted by bulge-bracket banks - and these differences are further magnified by the fact that they are operating under different national accounting regimes.

In some corners of the global financial system, institutions are already trying to come clean about the pain. It is relatively easy, for example, to calculate the losses at so-called structured investment vehicles (SIVs) - a breed of specialist fund - because they are required to publish regular "net asset value" numbers. According to the rating agencies, for example, the average value of assets in SIV vehicles has fallen by a third since the start of the summer.

Some investors with holdings of SIVs have recently come clean about their losses. TPG-Axon, the US hedge fund, is understood to have written off the value of all the junior notes issued by its SIV.

A number of Taiwanese banks - which have been among the biggest buyers of such paper - have also been surprisingly frank. For example, Bank SinoPacsaid it would take a third-quarter hit of $43m on its $350m of SIV holdings.

However, for every example of transparency there is a case - or several - of an institution reluctant to reveal losses. In jurisdictions such as Japan, for example, it is widely accepted that institutions need not mark all their assets to market, since they often hold these to maturity.

Similarly, uncertainty dogs large parts of the asset management world in continental Europe. Meanwhile, the insurance industry is generating particular anxiety among some investors. In recent days, for example, the share price of the largest US monoline insurance groups, such as MBIA (NYSE:MBI) and Ambac, have collapsed in spectacular fashion due to concerns about potential exposure to mortgage-linked CDOs. The two companies say that they do not have any serious problems - and point out that the proportion of mortgage-related assets in their business is tiny. But the challenge that dogs these "monoline" groups is that their balance sheet accounting is poorly understood by most investors.

Optimists within the financial world point out that such uncertainty is not unique to the 2007 credit squeeze: 15 years ago, for example, the financial world was presented with a similar fog, when it tried to untangle the losses that hit the Lloyd's insurance syndicate. "There are a lot of parallels today," says Adam Ridley, a senior London financier who was heavily involved in the Lloyd's affair.

However, the challenge for policymakers today is that the 2007 credit storm - unlike the Lloyd's debacle - is not a contained affair: on the contrary, the opaque subprime chain has created unexpected linkages between an extraordinarily wide range of investors and institutions around the world. The longer investors continue to fear that this chain could produce unexpectedly large future losses, the greater the danger of a downward spiral in investor confidence - and thus the higher the risk of a knock-on impact on the "real" economy.


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To: Neidermeyer

That’s not just catching a falling knife, that’s jumping if front of a spear.


41 posted on 11/05/2007 1:35:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

It’s easier to sell unsecured notes backed by borrowers with good credit ratings right now than to sell asset-backed-securities (e.g. mortgages that can foreclose on actual properties like houses and office complexes)...which is a pretty good indication that we are in the final flushing-out stage (which involves heavy liquidations).

By the end of next year real estate will be stable or rising, however.


42 posted on 11/05/2007 1:40:07 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Hydroshock

Please add me to your ping list.


43 posted on 11/05/2007 2:36:20 PM PST by Walmartian
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
My understanding is that banks sold the loans they made to other more speculative investors so that they could limit risk and get more cash to loan out more money.

Now it looks like the banks took all their extra money and turned around and bought parts of all the loans that they were supposedly selling to others.

So in what universe did they decide they were somehow limiting their risk?

Why didn't they just keep the loans they made and collect the interest directly?

Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to let every type of financial institution perform every type of financial transaction. There seem to be so many conflicts of interest that rather than freeing up the market to encourage efficiencies and lower prices, all we did was encourage bribery, corruption, and theft.

44 posted on 11/05/2007 2:43:28 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: HD1200

Paper losses are REAL losses ,, I used to be a stockbroker ,,, my brother-in-law started working at HoneDepot back in the early 1980’s and had accumulated 15,500 shares by the late 90’s , mostly through splits ,, he had a NAV of $1.2M and now after over 20 years he is still just a lot boy and loader,, when I went into the local HD in 3Q 98 or 99 (don’t remember) and saw they were throwing a 10% off everything in the store sale for the first time ever I screamed at him to sell everything in his 401K and go into anything else... the idiot refused citing loyalty to the company ,, as if that has any bearing on the direction they take.. of course HD crashed after that as the sale was a warning that they were going to miss BIG on their numbers , knocked him down to about 450-550K ,, then 09/11/01 happened and killed whatever appreciation he had between 99 and 09/2001 ,,, after a few more mistakes he is at about 300K...

Paper losses are real BELIEVE IT ,, he could have quit , sold his HD and invested the 1.2m at 7% and had a nice income while he sucked down pina coladas on a beach,, instead he is still pushing carts back into the store and loading heavy bags of cement into customers pickup trucks.

If you insist on reiterating that paper losses are somehow less real then I suggest you load up on PMI RDN C MTG WM UBS MER and GS , after all they are way down due to “paper losses” and in your world not realizing or acknowledging a loss makes it all A-OK ,, I’m sure some of them will avoid bankruptcy.

P.S. Your too late ,, I threw that 100 at a waitress after taking the family out to dinner just now.


45 posted on 11/05/2007 4:40:26 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: HD1200

Uh, increases in the valuation of our homes has never been a part of our GDP, which is a measurement of the goods and services PRODUCED by us.
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Not Quite Right....

If you were to back out economic activity supported by Home Equity withdrawals the US GDP would have been FLAT over the last 5 years or so ... with home values retreating that piggy bank has run dry and people are having to shell out more for everything with fuel prices ,, the doubling of credit card minimums and (in my case ) the state is demanding more and more in property taxes to make up for slowdowns in other collected taxes ... People are being squeezed 9 ways to Sunday.. now although that “economic activity” is part of the GDP ,, it isn’t that people WANT to spend more ,, they are going to have less for non-essentials and margins on all consumer items will tighten,, near luxury goods should be hardest hit, true luxury items will be ok,, commodity items (sacks of rice ,, etc. etc.) will be hit a small amount.

I’m not being negative ,, I’ve always found that being honest makes for the least problems in life ,, fooling yourself doesn’t change reality... I just bought 4 pieces of rental property in a country whose economy is “primitive/agricultural” (lots of european retirees with fat retirement checks in euro’s and aussie dollars) and isn’t greatly affected by energy prices, their currency similarly is unaffected by downturns in the world economy ,, I expect my rental income to increase nicely as the dollar slides.


46 posted on 11/05/2007 4:56:23 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Travis McGee

AMBAC and MBIA primarly in the biz of insuring municipal bonds. Apparently though, they forgot what their M’s stood for, got in the business of insuring some of this ass paper. Look at the ticker symbols of ABK and MBI. Cratering....

Worse yet, those are the two dominant players of municipal insurance, and their stocks and debt are falling like a rock. If munis trade without the implied insurance backing of these two, then the muni market could take a big hit, run into some panic sell downs. You realize how much money they are supposed to be insuring??? I’m sure it is well over a trillion dollars or more, and their collective mkt caps now are about 5b, down from 20-30b just a few months ago.


47 posted on 11/05/2007 6:37:33 PM PST by Professional
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To: Walmartian

Done


48 posted on 11/05/2007 6:40:27 PM PST by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Merrill and Citigroup’s senior debt now is trading at junk pricing. Between the two, they have a whopping 1.5t, yes TRILLION, worth of debt, that is in the hands of bondholders. Many of those bondholders are not allowed to own junk debt, or are only allowed to hold junk in certain percentages. Pension funds, insurance companies, mutual funds, etc, will be forced to sell off this debt, and do so at eye popping discounts to what they paid for the stuff! This scenario I’m describing is a good reason why the stock market of 2002 was so bad, so scary.


49 posted on 11/05/2007 6:42:08 PM PST by Professional
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Something that makes these write downs a bit easier to underdstand, I hope.

On a ledger, you must put down how much an asset is worth, in order for your books to be accurate. So, with debt instruments there are 3 ways to calculate fair marekt value. There are far more bond issues than stocks, and while more money trades in the bond market daily, that many issues, many go untraded for long periods of time.

A normal valuation method is based upon last trade, but than only covers large issues that are traded often. That is type one asset.

Type two asset is based upon consistent criteria that can be applied with a model. For example, credit rating, industry, coupon, maturity, etc.... SO a computer model can reasonably price the asset.

The third asset valuation method is the troublesome one. Possibly the holder of the issue, is the only holder, basically a loan instrument. Unless it defaults, the holder carries it as par value on the books if they feel like it. So, one day it is worth 100% of value, the next it is zero, with nothing in between.

The last paragraph will be overlooked by many, but in the not too distant future, we’ll all be experts of what level three pricing means.


50 posted on 11/05/2007 8:08:44 PM PST by Professional
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To: HD1200
I would expect to see THE SKY IS FALLING articles posted at lefty sites, not here.

You mean, this is a "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY" site?

51 posted on 11/05/2007 8:13:59 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
How can premier financial institutions NOT accurately know the condition of their financial position?? How do these organizations ever pass an audit?? If banking institutions can’t even hazard a guess at how much money they are making or losing - I’d say we’re in deep $hit.
52 posted on 11/05/2007 8:19:58 PM PST by USMA '71
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To: Professional

The third asset valuation method is the troublesome one. Possibly the holder of the issue, is the only holder, basically a loan instrument. Unless it defaults, the holder carries it as par value on the books if they feel like it. So, one day it is worth 100% of value, the next it is zero, with nothing in between.
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Ding!Ding!Ding!

We have a winner ,,, by the way this was the very most popular way that S&L’s cheated prior to the S&L crisis ,, by loaning money reciprocally with other troubled institutions ,, knowing full well that the loans in both directions were worthless and carrying them at par ,,, several famous S&L crashes in Arizona come immediately to mind. It works well ,, REALLY WELL , if the regulators look the other way until ANY of the partners crashes and burns ,, then you’ve got a huge mess and a perp walk coming..


53 posted on 11/06/2007 3:19:19 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: HD1200

Did you read what I posted? Post #1? Or are you just reacting to the article?

As for me and my house; we’ll be fine. We don’t live beyond our means. :) I’ll be scooping up cheap real estate in the future.

My greatest fear is that the Government will “fix” this.


54 posted on 11/06/2007 4:57:28 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Professional

Sounds like the “C” word. Contagion.


55 posted on 11/06/2007 5:29:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Neidermeyer

Dang, interesting. Thanks for the S/L information.


56 posted on 11/06/2007 6:10:19 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional
Pension funds, insurance companies, mutual funds, etc, will be forced to sell off this debt

The central banks will be forced to temporarily buy it (as they have been doing since August) otherwise we could have a self-reinforcing 'bank run'. As in the early 30s, the bank must put its cash in the 'front window' to assure everybody who may want their money, that it is there.

That's what the Fed is for - the buyer of last resort, to restore confidence when everybody else is in full panic mode.


BUMP

57 posted on 11/06/2007 7:09:30 PM PST by capitalist229
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To: capitalist229

The firm I work for, only lets us sell A/A rated bonds. If they fall below that, we can’t buy them for clients. Problem is, a new issue A/A, is just tomorrow’s BBB, BB, B....

So, I can originate the sale at the worst price, but not take advantage of it later, at the lower price. Duh...


58 posted on 11/06/2007 7:15:24 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional

Ask John McCain about that ,, he was involved in local AZ S&L’s shenanigans as 1 of the Keating 5... Funny how politicians never seem to get jail time...


59 posted on 11/07/2007 3:21:26 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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