Posted on 11/04/2007 10:21:55 PM PST by george76
The father of an Ontario man killed in a wolf attack in northern Saskatchewan says it's a relief to finally have the truth come out.
A coroner's jury in Prince Albert ruled Thursday that wolves killed Kenton Carnegie in November 2005.
The 22-year-old University of Waterloo engineering student had been on a work-term ...
An expert, who prepared a report for the coroner's office, said it was more likely a bear killed Carnegie. But in the end, the jury dismissed that notion, declaring it a wolf attack.
"Kenton was an honest man," he said. "His life was honest, we didn't want his life to be dishonest. We wanted the truth of his death to be made public."
The jury also came up with a detailed list of ways to prevent similar deaths. One of the items on the list included educating the public and people who work in the wilderness to make them aware of the danger of predators, such as wolves.
The jury also wants the province to issue immediate permits to shoot problem animals.
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Ya know I saw this hour show on direct tv other night. This german lady wanted to find some wolves in BC. In the end she had wolves walkin up smellin her, no joke.
They must have been conditioned to people cause wolves where we live are super scarce around people. I shot at a blk wolf back during moose season , but it was runnin for brush and I was far off, missed.
WE killed some caribou yesterday. Bou are migrating and this one spot where they cross road, gut piles everywhere from locals subsistence season. Wolves following bou migration are cleaning up gut piles. We saw one early in morn but he took off before we could shoot; still good seein one.
I can’t wait till yukon freezes so I can start setting snares. Those wolves make a fool outta me, smarter than most people but still alot of fun trying to fool them.
Although even then i really questioned it ....a hungry pack of wolves can take down Elk. A human being wouldn't be much trouble. And if they took down a human, in the wildnerness, and they ate him (including a lot of the bones, with the rest being taken care of by scavengers ranging from foxes in the US to badgers in Europe), would any evidence be left? Or if it is snowing? For all intents and purposes the person would be termed as 'lost.' Nowadays it may be much harder, but it would be hard to convince me that in the olden days (e.g. before wolves were killed off in Europe, which I have to say was on the extreme side) no one was ever killed by wolves.
It kind of reminds me of something else i used to hear as a child ....that in Africa Hyenas are scavengers, and that they do not attack people ....until later 'discoveries' showed that hyenas are actually one of the most effective efficient hunters (second only to African WildDogs), and that in some areas do not even need to scavenge (with cases of lions even scavenging from hyena kills). And as for killing people ....well, ranging from faces bitten off to kids snatched away to one case of a hyena biting through a sheet-metal home to get to the occupants inside! Let's say hyenas may not have the tally of man-eating lions, but they are not stupid laughing mangy beasts (an adult femal hyena - the females are larger and have more or less the same genetalia as the males - is quite big, and has jaws that can crack anything that doesn't have 'diamond' or 'titanium' in its name).
“short pants get you killed every time”
So they kill those who want to dress cool in the summer?
There was one other documented case in Canada.
I sincerely doubt that his last words were "Dang, I wish I had a permit to shoot you..."
I have to wonder if the poor man was completely mislead to underestimate the presence of predators and their true danger to himself.
What a horror! Prayers for the family.
The jury also wants the province to issue immediate permits to shoot problem animals.
I sincerely doubt that his last words were “Dang, I wish I had a permit to shoot you...”
I have to wonder if the poor man was completely mislead to underestimate the presence of predators and their true danger to himself.
What a horror!
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I’m not completely clear on why it’s so important to the family to have an official finding that their son was killed by a wolf, rather than by a bear. After all, he’s no less dead. Nevertheless, I hope they find comfort and closure in this act.
I would think it would be a short list..
We don’t have grizzly bears in Colorado, either. Until one kills someone. A couple of months back, we were camping in high country (about 11,000 feet) and a grizzly walked right up to the encampment.
Four hours before that, we’d taken pictures of a black bear. I saw the grizzly, grabbed my weapon and camera. Fumbled the camera but kept hold of the gun. :)
We made a LOT of racket and he watched us a few minutes, then moseyed off. He didn’t run like a black bear would have. He slowly walked away.
State wildlife folks have refused to admit it was a grizzly even though I correctly identified the prints, and the outline of the bear. They put it down in the books “as a very large, male black bear”....
One day, someone’s going to get ate by one and they’ll blame it on coyotes.
Wolves are not known to attack folks, unless they're incapacitated, the wolf is rabid, or they're being fed by human's(including garbage dumps). Athough they're not generally dangerous to people, the watermellons won't let folks defend themselves effectively against wolf attacks.
Why do you think that the DOW does not want to admit that there are grizzly bears in Colorado ?
Wolves stay away from people as much as they can, unless they are hungry. We always have young (this years pups) hang around in late august. They have been kicked out and haven’t packed up yet and look for easy pickins around people; cats, snowshoes, small loose dogs ect. I actually like seeing them as they don’t fear people yet. Have had them walk right up our lane and look at our dogteam, who would kill them quick if they could break chains. My son calls them in with quealer at school bus stop. They are nice to see for a couple weeks but soon gone.
Wolves will come in and kill dogs when they can. Every wolf kills 6 moose/year for every moose killed by a hunter and we have 20-30 thou wolves up here in ak.
WE have grizz & blk bear but most grizz stay up above treeline, come down now and then. Grizz take 85% moose calf production every june, moose are hurtin bad, almosr extinct in many areas. wolves get them in deep snow, grizz get the calves come spring. You don’t want grizz where you live, elk pops will quickly drop to 10% of what they were and stagnate, balance of nature thing.
They have started ariel wolf control but its not really all that effective, bounties work better; many areas are so thick, wolves stay in brush. You can’t shoot thru trees with 12 guage. We now can bait grizz in with fish, dripping buckets in trees, ect; but people don’t like eating grizz so no motivation. State needs to allow selling of bear parts, problem would solve itself.
I have had wolves follow my dogteam then when they get close, jump off trail and take off away; something about following smell of dogteam. I know people who have had wolves threaten them until they fired off pistol then they all took off.
People here shoot every bear that comes close and second time they show up around house. Blk & grizz alike. Most blk bear run up here too but I have had 2 blk bear sneak in on me (front quarters down) crouched down like a cat sneaking in on rabbit; ears twittlin back and forth like crazy. First time I waved arms and yelled (no gun) and bear took off. Second time I was along a trail and bear stalked me along trail; shot that one. Blk bear stalking people is quite common actually, at least to rural people.
I just go anywhere without my 460 S&W or a rifle. Bear are looked on as dangerous pests and its everyones patriotic duty to shoot every wolf they see, anyway they are worth 3-4 hundred to tourists. You hear them alot in winter, see alot of tracks, but actually only see wolves maybe once in awhile. Only time I have seen lots of wolves is during caribou migration, cause some packs follow them.
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