Posted on 11/04/2007 12:41:09 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
On Saturday November 17th, people from New York and surrounding communities will join in honor of the Ten Million people killed by Joseph Stalin in Ukraine.
In 1932-33, Stalin engineered a famine in Ukraine, "Europe's breadbasket." Men, women, and children starved to death. And the New York Times reporter - Walter Durante - announced to the world that a famine was not in full swing though he knew better.
British journalist Malcolm Muggeridge played a key role in summugling out reports of the truth , for which he was expelled from the Soviet Union.
Robert Conquest has written a sad history of these events in Harvest of Shame.
The famine is still a political issue in today's Ukraine. President Yuschenko has courageously tried to set the historical record straight and has infuriated Putin's Russia.
During the years Ukraine suffered under the Communists the Catholic Church and many leaders of the Orthodox Church played important opposition roles to Communist tyranny. Many Bishops and clergy payed with their lives for daring to stand up to the godless rulers.
Therefore, it is fitting that on November 17, people will gather at St. George's Ukrainian Catholic Church (a beautiful Byzatine style Church) on 7th Street between 2nd and 3rd Avenues in Manhattan at 11:45 AM.
They will march to St. Patrick's Cathedral for a Solemn Requiem Service at 2 PM to mark the 75th anniversary of the forced famine.
Having attended several of these services I can attest they are a moving, religious experience.
If you can, come to the March or to the service or both.
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While I do find myself somewhat symapthetic to your arguement it does trouble me that if we place all the blame on Russia, then guys like Chairman Mao, Ho Chi Mhin and Pol Pot and the nations they represented receive somewhat of a pass on their actions.
You can’t deny where the root cause was, but it has been my policy to attack those who did the deeds. Mao purged something like 50 million of his citizens. Mhin was responsible for the deaths of millions as was Pot.
The U.S.S.R. was undeniably and evil state. The world today still suffers the effects of it’s craven nature.
Communism has been a bust where it has raised it’s evil head. Communism was first introduced in Russia, and I suppose it is fair to blame it for all Communist deaths to a degree.
I do think that degree deminishes as states like China matured and continued to slaughter their citizens by their own choice.
“that if we place all the blame on Russia, then guys like Chairman Mao, Ho Chi Mhin and Pol Pot and the nations they represented receive somewhat of a pass on their actions.”
Mao was on the Russian payroll since 1924.
Russia has been morally bankrupt since its inception.
And what year would you peg that to?
they used to set forest fires and panic herds of elf and deer off the top, plunging them to their deaths -
My god, not the poor elfs!
Oh the horror, oh the elfumanity!
Why you could hardly make a sandwich with an elf tongue.
“And what year would you peg that to?”
Ivan the Terrible was aptly named and his ethics seems to have infected all that followed.
If you google "Germans from Russia" you can access a number of letters written from these villages to family members in Germany, Argentina, Canada, and the United States. They are extremely disturbing to read, mentioning these friends who died of starvation and that family that was wiped out by disease, but they are a part of history that should be remembered.
Joseph Stalin was a cruel and vindictive man who ruled with an iron fist. But he is dead and gone, and holding others (who weren't even born at the time) responsible for his actions is stupid.
During the War of 1812, the British burned Washington City, yet they are now one of our greatest allies. How would they react if we suddenly demanded that they pay us for the damage they inflicted on Washington almost 200 years ago?
Per Joseph Stalin: “One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic”
The Russians killed 100 million in the last century
Russians suffered the most under Soviet Leninist Marxism
Mao was on the Russian payroll since 1924.
Russia has been morally bankrupt since its inception.
Mao was on the Soviet payroll since 1924. Soviet—as in Communist—Russia no longer existed in 1924.
As for the bankrupt statement—I will not dignify that one with a response
100 millions dead at the hands of communists..not Russians...do not distort history like the libs do
The Russians killed 100 million in the last century
Thanks, spanalot, I was looking for the source myself. I hear 100 million might be a 'light' number at that - we will probably never know. I prefer the term Soviets, to Russians, being in part of Russian descent (it's why my relatives came here) and seeing the terror brought to the people of the USSR by Soviet communist leaders themselves of a variety of ethnicities, who lashed out at any who dared get in the way. 10 million Ukrainians here, millions in the gulags there, Poles, Russians, Kazakhs, Yakuts, Priests and nuns, the disabled, and so many more, communism did not discriminate in it's genocidal aims. I will remember the Ukrainian victims this weekend.
Do you think those ethics are attributable to all the Russian people, or is the leadership the subject of your wrath?
Thanks for the recitation of your family’s history. It reinforces a post that follows yours, in that it makes the point that Russian citizens and those on it’s soil suffered much at the hands of the Russian leadership.
I very much agree that damning nations for things their leaders did upwards of 75 to 100 years ago, is non productive, and is very insulting to current leaders and peoples.
Thanks for the great post.
I appreciate you bringing that point up. It had actually occurred to me while I was developing another response and I failed to include it.
It’s an important point and one that deserves to be made crystal clear.
Good for you. Thanks.
Old Russina Saying “One Kopec, One Life” Such is the disregard for life by your Holy Mother Russia and it is proven by the genocide of 100 million by Moscow in the last century.
The truth about the genocide of a million germans in Russia prior to WWII is just coming out now - and payback is going to be a bitch considering this is how another madman came to power.
http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/order/general/sinner.html
“being in part of Russian descent “
Are you sure you are not Carpatho Russian? Most people in the US who claim “russian” ancestory are actually from the Carpathians in an area that was once Austro Hungary and now Ukraine - thousands of miles away from Moscow.
NON Russians - {Poles, Ukrainians, Georgians, Jews, and nauseum) were the engine of the bloody Soviet system.
Get a grip over it.
And remember names mean nothing for Commies— most of them changed their names to sound more “slavic”—cae in point
arch evil demon under Lenin, Zinoviev, who said
“Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritzky, Zinoviev and Vólodorsky, let there be floods of the blood of the bourgeoisie-more blood! As much as possible!” (Krasnaya Gazeta, Sept. 1, 1918?).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zinoviev
Span...Your description of Ivan IV is simplistic and therefore false
Extreme times sometimes call for extreme measures
http://www.vor.ru/English/homeland/home_009.html
Thank you. That might end up being my dad’s Christmas present this year.
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