Harvest of Despair
Posted on 11/04/2007 12:41:09 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
On Saturday November 17th, people from New York and surrounding communities will join in honor of the Ten Million people killed by Joseph Stalin in Ukraine.
In 1932-33, Stalin engineered a famine in Ukraine, "Europe's breadbasket." Men, women, and children starved to death. And the New York Times reporter - Walter Durante - announced to the world that a famine was not in full swing though he knew better.
British journalist Malcolm Muggeridge played a key role in summugling out reports of the truth , for which he was expelled from the Soviet Union.
Robert Conquest has written a sad history of these events in Harvest of Shame.
The famine is still a political issue in today's Ukraine. President Yuschenko has courageously tried to set the historical record straight and has infuriated Putin's Russia.
During the years Ukraine suffered under the Communists the Catholic Church and many leaders of the Orthodox Church played important opposition roles to Communist tyranny. Many Bishops and clergy payed with their lives for daring to stand up to the godless rulers.
Therefore, it is fitting that on November 17, people will gather at St. George's Ukrainian Catholic Church (a beautiful Byzatine style Church) on 7th Street between 2nd and 3rd Avenues in Manhattan at 11:45 AM.
They will march to St. Patrick's Cathedral for a Solemn Requiem Service at 2 PM to mark the 75th anniversary of the forced famine.
Having attended several of these services I can attest they are a moving, religious experience.
If you can, come to the March or to the service or both.
(Excerpt) Read more at crosstabs.org ...
“were NOT citizens of Germany but people in the nations conquered, occupied or fought by Germany.” ........... It also seems that during those occupations the Ukrainians took pleasure in turning in, or eliminating, with German approval, those who had something to do with their plight.
Communism = Genocide
Even then, 70 years ago, the NYT was a pit of liars.
And even now, 70 years since, the NY Times continues to ignore the facts, and refuses to denounce Durante for his lies, nor return the Pulitzer Prize they won for his communist propaganda, in the service of Joseph Stalin.
Mark
I just finished reading the story. A Ukrainian priest taught me Russian when I was a senior in high school. I can barely remember the Cyrillic alphabet now.
Anagrams for the New York Times are “It’s Enemy Work” and “Monkeys Write.”
Thanks for the correction. To be honest I wasn’t even sure how many were killed by the Germans in total. And I wasn’t aware how many came from outside the nation either.
Take care.
Look, any of the people killed by their own governments or in instances like Germany going after whole races and classifications, is vile and unacceptable.
I appreciate the response.
Look, I know where you are coming from. While I understand why some of these marches and calls on Congress to acknowledge past events, I do think we make some mistakes by publicly condemning nations that did things eighty to one hundred years ago.
Am I angry that these people were killed? You bet. Do I think it is helpful to drag out the dirty linen of nations where no person remains who was alive or responsible for the actions taken many moons ago? No.
You will do what you feel that you should. I’m not going to fault you for it. It does sometimes make it difficult for us to maintain relations today, when these things are lofted for inspection now.
I appreciate your take on things. Take care.
Look, I know where you are coming from. While I understand why some of these marches and calls on Congress to acknowledge past events, I do think we make some mistakes by publicly condemning nations that did things eighty to one hundred years ago.
Am I angry that these people were killed? You bet. Do I think it is helpful to drag out the dirty linen of nations where no person remains who was alive or responsible for the actions taken many moons ago? No.
You will do what you feel that you should. I’m not going to fault you for it. It does sometimes make it difficult for us to maintain relations today, when these things are lofted for inspection now.
I appreciate your take on things. Take care.
Do you think we dealt fairly with the Indians during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries? Do you think we were a remarkably good example of moral standing as it relates to salvery?
I ask these questions because other nation’s citizens could do a little marching of their own. They could demand that the U.S. issue reparations. Is that something that sounds like a winner to you?
I don’t like what happened in other nations, specifically China, Russia, Germany, Cambodia and Vietnam. While I will remember and talk about these events, I won’t be going out into the streets 80 and 100 years after the fact to damn those nation’s leaders. I could be convinced to go out and protest current actions as long as it wouldn’t endanger our troops on the ground in a live war zone.
Thanks for the response.
As I understand your statement, there is a sect of Jews who believe they must do evil to make the Messiah come or at least to hasten His return. This sort of belief is similar to apocalyptic Islamists like Ahmahdinejad who believe that by spreading chaos they will hasten the return of the 12th Imam. Do you have names of any presently-living influential Jews who actually believe a Messiah is coming and that they can hasten His return by doing evil?
Correct. It's just as evil too.
Do you have names of any presently-living influential Jews who actually believe a Messiah is coming and that they can hasten His return by doing evil?
Haven't read that far; Antelman's books are organized historically. As I understand it, that list is in Volume 2, although I don't doubt for a minute that it includes the House of Rothschild. Do check out the interview at the link above.
“Do you think we dealt fairly with the Indians during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries?”
yes - and i can see you the old kremlin party line that I ran into in the 70’s - makes me feel young again.
And what part of “The Russians killed 100 million in the last century “ do you not understand?
“”And what part of “The Russians killed 100 million in the last century “ do you not understand?””
“I’d really like to see a source for that. I’m sure you’ll have one I can look at”
Sure - no problem - my source is the United States of America.
http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/about/
“Do you think we dealt fairly with the Indians during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries? Do you think we were a remarkably good example of moral standing as it relates to salvery?”
Let me tell you something about Indians.
In Westfiled, Pa, there is a cliff where they used to set forest fires and panic herds of elf and deer off the top, plunging them to their deaths - they only cut the tongues out and let everything to rot.
Those forest fires sometimes blackened the skies for thousands of miles and destroyed whole states worth of coutryside.
Their approach to nature and other human beings was savage and that is why they were called savages.
Re: slavery, our family were never slave owners and under Holy Mother Russia, we were slaves.
Slavery was legal throughout the world in the 1800’s and my state never allowed slavery. Some states did and that ended in the mid 1800’s.
It continued on in Russia for many years after that - about 100 years in fact.
It continues in Africa and other primitve areas today.
Stalin put to death some 20 million of his own people, and that's the context for my comments. It seemed to be the context of yours as well. Here is what you said.
"And what part of “The Russians killed 100 million in the last century “ do you not understand?
If you wish to expand that outside the borders of the U.S.S.R., I fully agree that "COMMUNISM" is probably responsible for one hundred million deaths. That isn't what you said.
If we’re going to address the overall treatment of the Indians by the United States I would agree with you that probably the largest portion of what happened to them was neutral, natural or justified. There were however some rather unsavory actions taken by the U.S. as it relates to treaties and inhuman incidents on our part.
In the old hay days of the U.S.S.R., they sought to damn the U.S. for the demise of the Indians across the board, and neither of us agrees with that. None the less, I do believe we have to be honest about some of what took place that just wasn’t acceptable.
You relate an incident that the Indians instigated that I find abominable. I’m sure there are many such examples. That doesn’t mitigate some of the things we did.
As for slavery, it doesn’t really matter what other nations did or what takes place until this day. Slavery was wrong and some of our people participated in it. The father of our nation participated in it.
In the context of the day, what Washington and others did was acceptable. I still find it disgusting.
Those who founded our nation weren’t prefect. They did their best to set down statutes and guarantees that our nation would be free and a respector of all peoples. I can’t help but believe that their efforts were intended to end slavery at some future date. Their efforts gave us what I consider to be the best nation the world has ever seen. The attempts today by the left to besmirch them and install other icons to replace them is unforgivable.
It does bother me that some seem to pick at other nation foibles as if our nation didn’t have some of it’s own.
We have grown out of some of our foibles. I suspect some other nations will as well.
“I fully agree that “COMMUNISM” is probably responsible for one hundred million deaths”
No, it was Russia and the Kremlin, with its long history of moral depravity, that caused the 100 million deaths - typically at the point of Russian made Kalishnikovs.
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