The myth of Rudy's electability [MUST READ!]

North Star Writer's Group via The Keizer Times ^ | November 2, 2007 | Paul Ibrahim

[2ndDivisionVet]

Have to agree.

[ARE SOLE]

Rudy is a cross dressing, publically funded abortion loving, 9-11 profiteer.

Regards

[petercooper]

Rudy is a tax cutting, tough on crime liberal. Simple.

[Man50D]

In and by itself, the reasoning of Giuliani's supporters is not illogical. Many people do take into account electability when voting for a primary candidate (although most will not sacrifice their basic principles in the name of an election victory).

It is illogical because these same people will reach such a conclusion long before there are any primaries. It defeats the purpose of having debates.

[kjo]

I certainly don’t agree with Rudy G on everything, but fact is the abortion genie is never going back in the bottle. Homosexuality is now open, that’s not going to change either. Some level of gun control is gonna happen. Deal with these things.

Rudy is smart, tough, and ready to defend this country. He is the terrorists’ worse nightmare. He cleaned up NYC when many said it was lost to crime. He’s a prosecutor’s prosecutor. I think he might be another Teddy Roosevelt.

And he sure is better than Hitlery.

[stevie_d_64]

All the paid and unpaid pundits like Bill Bennett and other radio talk show hosts are really keeping their eggs in one basket on this one...And they know its a crap shoot in ‘08...

They say they are giving equal time and access to all the candidates, but in their idle banter its all about Rudy...

Don’t get me wrong I like the Morning in America program he puts on...Its low-key and pleasant to listen too, but it bothers me about the constant pushing of a liberal for the Republican party nomination...

Why is it so hard for the leadership and pundits to realize this???

Personally, I believe its part of that big plan that is the real bi-partisan workings behind the scenes...

And most of us are not buying into the BS it is producing anymore...

Yep, ‘08 is going to be a turning point for all of us...

[mvpel]

To this, Giuliani's people inevitably shout the following talking points: First, Giuliani's moderate standpoint will attract unaffiliated voters, and can help Republicans make up for the unpopularity they have inherited from the George W. Bush years.

As much as it's anathema to many folks here to acknowledge it, this process is exactly what's going on in the Ron Paul campaign. Paul's constitutionalist standpoint is attracting unaffiliated voters who had given up on either major party following the Constitution years ago, and his opposition to the continued occupation of Iraq is making up for the unpopularity the GOP has inherited from the George W. Bush years.

[Just mythoughts]

Oh but don't you know Rudy is running as a positive republican candidate. I mean isn't it the GOP BIG circus TENT rule to vote for the candidate that can beat Hillry. When the Clintons war room gets finished with Rudy a whole segment of the population with be so turned off they won't show up. Then these haughty elitist will point their accusing fingers and blame the no shows for costing them the election and electing Hillry.

Seems to me that IF the point is to defeat Hillry the GOP could at least provide a candidate that is more than just running a positive campaign.

[Paladin2]

I strongly disagree that McCain is more electable than Rudy.

[Alberta's Child]

Rudy is smart, tough, and ready to defend this country. He is the terrorists’ worse nightmare.

Rudy Giuliani is a short, bald, effeminate, weird New York City lawyer who speaks with a lisp and has probably never made a fist in his life.

He couldn't lead anyone out of a burning house, let alone lead a nation.

[Man50D]

Rudy is a tax cutting, tough on crime liberal. Simple.

Wrong. Rudy hardly favors cutting taxes. Some comments by Giuliani.

---"Over the objections of a furious Mayor Giuliani and city legislators from both parties, the New York state legislature has abolished the New York City commuter tax. The action, done to apparently affect a local legislative race in suburban Rockland County, could cost New York City $360 million. NPR's Margot Adler reports."--- NPR Report

---"Let's face it: Rudy Giuliani argued for the reinstatement of the tax,..."--- NY Sun report [Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering." Newsday, August 31, 1989

"When I ran for Mayor both times, I was asked very, very often to do the following: Pledge that you will never raise taxes. I refused to do that. Pledge that you will lower taxes. I refused to do that." -- Rudy Giuliani, New York Times, October 25, 1994

Mr. Giuliani criticized Mr. Pataki’s proposal to cut taxes as “a shell game” that would hurt everyone in the state… -- New York Times, October 30, 1994

[labette]

Paul Ibrahim understands.

And there is nothing wrong in using electability as a means to evaluate a candidate.. That's what politics is all about.

On the other hand, there is something very wrong {shameful?} with selling your own core beliefs up front for a chance to "win".

[TommyDale]

Exactly. New York Republicans must think that just calling yourself a Republican will automatically draw all the conservative voters like a magnet.

WRONG!!

[APFel]

but fact is the abortion genie is never going back in the bottle. Homosexuality is now open, that’s not going to change either. Some level of gun control is gonna happen. Deal with these things.

Are you actually asking us to deal with these things, or accept them?

If it's the latter, then I'll start wondering how you managed to keep your account alive for two years.

APf

[TommyDale]

"He couldn't lead anyone out of a burning house, let alone lead a nation."

But...but...I thought he personally led thousands to safety on 9-11... (/sarcasm)

[Man50D]

Rudy is smart, tough, and ready to defend this country. He is the terrorists’ worse nightmare.

He would do a poor job defending the country. The WOT is not just occurring in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is a global problem including along our borders. It is a fact terrorists are posing as illegal immigrants to enter the country and attack us from within. Despite this fact Giuliani supports granting amnesty for illegal aliens. He has gone to the extreme of making NYC a sanctuary city! This is incomprehensible after 9/11.

And he sure is better than Hitlery.

He's as much a socialist as Hitlery.

[W04Man]

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[2ndDivisionVet]

"As much as it's anathema to many folks here to acknowledge it, this process is exactly what's going on in the Ron Paul campaign. Paul's constitutionalist standpoint is attracting unaffiliated voters who had given up on either major party following the Constitution years ago, and his opposition to the continued occupation of Iraq is making up for the unpopularity the GOP has inherited from the George W. Bush years."

"..the continued occupation of Iraq.." Are you sure you belong at this website? Yes, yes, I see that you signed up all the way back in 2000. Good for you. But do you really believe that America is "occupying" Iraq? Sounds a lot like the drivel that proceedeth from the pie holes of Michael Moore, John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Cindy Sheehan, John Edwards, Jane Fonda, Dennis Kucinich and that crowd. Perhaps you Paulestinians should start your own "conservative" website?

[stockstrader]

Most candidates 'tack to the middle' after their nomination. The democrat moves to the right, the Republican to the left.

However, because Giuliani is a LIBERAL--he is stuck where he is--already TO THE LEFT OF CENTER!

Hillary will attempt to move to the right to expand her electability (because she will have her base secure).

Rudy CANNOT move to the LEFT--since he has NOT (and never will have) secured the base. Any attempts to move further LEFT to expand his appeal--will help erode what little support he has left in the base.

Giuliani would be a disaster for the Republican Party.

[sport]

That is what I have been saying.

Rudy will not beat Hillary neither will John Mc Cain.

All a Ridy or a John Mc Cain candidatecy will do is ensure that Hillary wins.

I don’t think that John Mc Cain has a chance [except in his dreams and those of his worshippers] of getting the Republican nomination.

Unfortunately,for real Conservatives, Rudy does. He has the tatic if not open approval of the Republican National Committee. He has the financial backing he has a support base. And he has,at this point in time, in a left handed support of the main stream media.

Should he be the nominee, the last one will fast disappear.

They are some things that are said about Rudy that is true.

He is a fighter. He fought a legal industry tooth and toenail. He sued the gun manufacturers.

If one puts Rudy’s policy statements next to Hillary’s and Bill’s policy statements, one will discover that they agree far more that they differ. If one has any intelligence, this should indicate to one the direction that Rudy’s fight will focus.