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It's time for Ron Paul's 15 minutes to be up
Foreign Policy ^ | 11-1-07 | Mike Boyer

Posted on 11/01/2007 11:36:05 AM PDT by SJackson

Ron Paul is a seductive mistress. His popularity on MySpace and YouTube is now legendary. It helped him raise more than $5 million in the third quarter of this year's fundraising cycle. Even some among the media elite — on both sides of the aisle — can't resist his charm. Conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan gets downright giddy over Paul. And liberal Hardball host Chris Matthews (who cut his teeth under big government, East Coast Democrat Tip O'Neill) has declared of the libertarian from Texas: "He's my guy! I love Ron Paul!"

But do people understand what Paul really stands for? Like every siren song, his policies are fraught with danger. Let's take a look:

1. Foreign Policy and the Constitution. Paul is what you might call a Constitutional originalist. He divines his governing philosophy from the Constitution and America's Founders. But his understanding of their vision is profoundly flawed. Paul appears to believe the founders vested absolute authority for foreign-policy making in Congress, not the executive. "Policy is policy," Paul wrote in 2006, "and it must be made by the legislature and not the executive." But there's almost no evidence the founders saw it in such simplistic, absolute terms. Law professor Michael Ramsey, a former clerk for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, recently noted (pdf) this in very eloquent terms in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. Reasonable people can agree that Congress has failed its oversight responsibilities with regard to Iraq and the Bush Doctrine. But Paul's thinking here is simply not supported by the weight of historical evidence.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.foreignpolicy.com ...


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KEYWORDS: enoughalready; paul; paulestinians; ronpaul
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An no, Mike Boyer probably isn't a right leaning Republican.

Michael C. Boyer
Mike Boyer joined FP in July 2001. He commissions and edits feature articles, reviews, and department pieces. He also reports and writes for the magazine. Previously, Mr. Boyer served on the legislative staff of U.S. Sen. Chuck Hagel, where he covered foreign relations. He was assistant to the candidate on Hagel’s first Senate campaign in 1996, during which time he traveled extensively with the senator on the campaign trail. Mr. Boyer’s writing on international affairs has appeared in National Geographic, the Boston Globe, San Francisco Chronicle, Washington Monthly, The New Republic, and Weekly Standard online, and other publications. He has appeared as a commentator on television and radio, including CNN International, CBS Sunday Morning, Al Jazeera, National Public Radio, and in numerous print media outlets. A native of Omaha, Nebraska, he earned a bachelor’s degree in political science from Colorado College and a master’s degree in the history of international relations from the London School of Economics and Political Science.

1 posted on 11/01/2007 11:36:07 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

I think most Republicans who may vote for Paul if he is still in the race when their state has its primary are doing so out of outrage at GWB and his failed policies.


2 posted on 11/01/2007 11:38:15 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: SJackson

Because the term ‘fifteen minutes’ does not appear in the United States Constitution, this comment and approach is invalid in PaulieWorld.

You know this, SJackson.

(chuckle)


3 posted on 11/01/2007 11:38:49 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: SJackson
Paul appears to believe the founders vested absolute authority for foreign-policy making in Congress, not the executive. "Policy is policy," Paul wrote in 2006, "and it must be made by the legislature and not the executive."

I wonder why he wants to be in the Executive then? Does he not want to be able to create policy? /s

4 posted on 11/01/2007 11:38:53 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Theodore R.

the economy is great, the surge is working. let’s end it!


5 posted on 11/01/2007 11:41:25 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: SJackson
Ron Paul is a seductive mistress.

I'll read the rest of this when I stop laughing...

6 posted on 11/01/2007 11:41:48 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SJackson
4. “World governmental organizations.” That’s how Paul refers to the Bretton Woods institutions. He wants America out of the World Trade Organization, the North America Free Trade Agreement, and the United Nations, among others. Paul’s official Web site warns visitors: “Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a doctor’s prescription to take herbs and vitamins. Alternative treatments could be banned.” There is a fine line between Rudy’s fear mongering over 9/11 and Ron’s fear mongering over the United Nations, friends. Next comes talk of black helicopters. The U.N. has problems, sure, but does anyone serious really believe that the world would be better off without the United Nations? And, given that there’s no indication other countries are about to close the doors on these institutions — many of which the United States in fact founded — isn’t America better off having some influence within them? Paul says that, without clout inside the system of institutions which binds all other modern nations, America will be strong thanks to “open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy.” Sure, and we can all sit around the camp fire and sing Kumbaya with Kim Jong Il.

Please sign me up for the LOST treaty. We surely have gone full circle.

7 posted on 11/01/2007 11:41:51 AM PDT by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: SJackson
I kinda enjoy the Ron Paul kerfuffle. He stirs things up a bit, and brings up alot of points that need to be discussed.

Plus, it gets people really riled on both sides of the Ronpaul divide, which provides needed entertainment.

8 posted on 11/01/2007 11:44:37 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: BGHater

“does anyone serious really believe that the world would be better off without the United Nations?”

Yes. Me.


9 posted on 11/01/2007 11:44:56 AM PDT by Shimmer (Lord, help me to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am.)
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To: SJackson

A view that foreign policy should be the venue of Congress is not only Constitutionally flawed, it is a horrible idea. Can you imagine over 500 Congressmen going on junkets like Pelosi’s to Syria? How many different messages should the U.S. send out?

We already have Iran and Syria suffering under the delusion that GWB’s hands are tied due to Congressional interference and pronouncements. That’s bad enough.


10 posted on 11/01/2007 11:46:08 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Shimmer
“does anyone serious really believe that the world would be better off without the United Nations?”

I think it must be some kind of a trick question.

11 posted on 11/01/2007 11:47:42 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SJackson; mnehrling; Extremely Extreme Extremist; traviskicks
He divines his governing philosophy from the Constitution and America's Founders. But his understanding of their vision is profoundly flawed.

Thank you, this echoes what I've been saying for months now. RoPaul's "vision" about the foreign policy powers of the legislature vs. executive are just the tip of the iceberg for RoPaul's constitutional incompetence.

Ron Paul, despite claiming to be a constitutionalist, has jolly-well no idea what the Constitution actually says, and neither do his supporters. They haven't a clue what it says, they haven't a clue about the historical and philosophical background that underlies it, and they don't have a clue what the Founders actually thought about this document.

What's always fun - ask a Paulistinian to show you how the War in Iraq is "unconstitutional", and they will almost ALWAYS tell you that Congress MUST "declare war" by using that specific terminology (which the Constitution never says, btw).

12 posted on 11/01/2007 11:48:22 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Libertarianism is applied autism)
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To: BGHater

I do.


13 posted on 11/01/2007 11:48:41 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Theodore R.
I think most Republicans who may vote for Paul if he is still in the race when their state has its primary are doing so out of outrage at GWB and his failed policies.
aka BDS. aka Mental Illness.
14 posted on 11/01/2007 11:49:48 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: SJackson
The U.N. has problems, sure, but does anyone serious really believe that the world would be better off without the United Nations?

Yes, actually.

15 posted on 11/01/2007 11:50:33 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Libertarianism is applied autism)
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To: Theodore R.
And, like, GWB is going to be on the ballot?????????

Only a complete IDIOT would vote for Ron Paul because they did not like GWB or his policies.

Other reasons may be valid, but not that one.

A lot of democrat party members (and apparently ron paul supporters) are going to be surprised that GWB is not on the ballot in 2008.

16 posted on 11/01/2007 11:51:07 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: SJackson
U.N. has problems, sure, but does anyone serious really believe that the world would be better off without the United Nations?

I do, and Paul does.
17 posted on 11/01/2007 11:51:54 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: BGHater

Specific to this: “Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a doctor’s prescription to take herbs and vitamins. Alternative treatments could be banned.”

Paul’s opinion here is dead on correct. People who say otherwise are either ignorant or on pharma companies or the FDA’s payroll.


18 posted on 11/01/2007 11:51:54 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Shimmer

That would be me as well, the UN is a failure and it is time to jettison that corrupt dictator infested farce on the Hudson in favor of treaties with individual countries that are in our interests.

The LOST Treaty is a good example along with the ICC.

No thanks.

It would seem the NeoCons are trying to rallye...


19 posted on 11/01/2007 11:52:21 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on/Isaiah 3.3)
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To: JerseyHighlander

yea, unfortantely, we’re already forced to go and pay our ‘tribute’ to docs to get medications as is... and they have been trying to expand this to get power over supplments and natural meds. For the ‘common good’ and ‘the children’ of course...


20 posted on 11/01/2007 11:53:16 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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