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The Right to Life is an UNALIENABLE right granted to us by God

Posted on 10/28/2007 3:07:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

The purpose of Free Republic is to fight for our freedom, for the constitution, for conservatism and for our traditional American heritage. We recognize that the domestic enemy of freedom is liberalism and big government socialism.

We recognize that our unalienable rights come from God not man or government and, no, they are NOT open to debate or subject to negotiation or compromise.

Sorry, RINOS, but the right to Life is our first unalienable right. This is not just a conservative political "principle" that stubborn right wing fringe nuts refuse to give up. It's an UNALIENABLE right granted to all men by GOD and no man or government can deprive us of same! Not without one hell of a fight!! Compromisers be damned!!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Free Republic; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: fredthompson; moralabsolutes; prolife
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To: CrosscutSaw

Your formulation is highly confusing. Is that purposeful?

Every state is required by the Constitution to do certain things. Provide for a republican form of government. Assure the protection of unalienable rights, and that the laws are applied equally. Etc.

If the state fails in that regard, just who do you think has a constitutional duty to bring them back into line?


101 posted on 10/28/2007 6:08:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: CrosscutSaw
The issue then is getting the Federal Government to recognize the unborn as a person entitled to equal protection under the law.

Bingo.

102 posted on 10/28/2007 6:10:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: CrosscutSaw

Excuse me for jumoing on the band wagon to correct you without reading all the replies.


103 posted on 10/28/2007 6:11:19 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: EternalVigilance

So how would you solve the problem?


104 posted on 10/28/2007 6:12:01 PM PDT by Grunthor (Christmas is a time when people of all religions come together to worship Jesus Christ.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes!
Thank you for asserting this!


105 posted on 10/28/2007 6:13:50 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Grunthor
So how would you solve the problem?

Offer no support to any candidate who fails to adhere to the founding paragraph of our republic, and the Reagan pro-life platform.

Raise up those who do, and who have a deep commitment to enforcing it in our laws.

106 posted on 10/28/2007 6:16:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: tips up

Well, you see, it’s sort of maybe in the emanations of the penumbras of the ninth-er, no, maybe the concept of ordered liberty in the 14th..

Heck, what does it matter?

We’ll just tell ‘em it’s in there somewhere and we’re sure it’s broad enough to cover killing on demand.


107 posted on 10/28/2007 6:17:05 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well said!


108 posted on 10/28/2007 6:17:11 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Jim Robinson; BlackElk
Statement of Faith by Rep. Ron Paul, M.D.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

109 posted on 10/28/2007 6:18:54 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: EternalVigilance

So you would what, have the USSC simply nullified?


110 posted on 10/28/2007 6:19:57 PM PDT by Grunthor (Christmas is a time when people of all religions come together to worship Jesus Christ.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yessir it's right there in black and white: The Declaration states what our God-given rights are, "life,, liberty, pursuit of happiness" (property) and why we declared our independence.

The fourteenth amendment reiterates this basic principle: "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Roe is unconstitutional...an aberration destroying the very soul of this nation.

111 posted on 10/28/2007 6:25:20 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Grunthor

I would have every individual who raises their right hand and swears to defend the Constitution do so: executive branch, legislative branch, judicial branch. At all levels of government.


112 posted on 10/28/2007 6:26:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

SCOTUS likes to cite “international law” and most countries have much stricter abortion laws than we have. Selective citation...


113 posted on 10/28/2007 6:28:26 PM PDT by tips up
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Statement of Faith by Rep. Ron Paul, M.D.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

How do the presidential candidates stand on support of bills such as H.R. 1094 and H.R. 300? It seems that this is a concrete approach to solving this issue.

114 posted on 10/28/2007 6:31:24 PM PDT by CrosscutSaw (God is sovereign -- Jesus is Lord.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Unfortunately, as pro-life as all that sounds, Dr. Paul is the primary source-point for the current idiotic notion that the federal government has no primary role in protecting the unalienable right to life. The other candidates are just following his example because they ignorantly think such a position sounds conservative. But, it is not.

Even under the best case scenario you could imagine under Paul’s formulation, very few abortions would be prevented. After all, most abortions are being committed in states that are only going to stop allowing abortions if they are forced to. By the power of the federal government.

California and Massachusetts, for example, are no more going to stop the abortion carnage on their own than South Carolina and Georgia would have stopped slavery on their own in 1860.


115 posted on 10/28/2007 6:35:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: tips up

Yes, very selective. The Declaration is irrelevent, but ancient pagan practices are relevant.

Anyone who reads Roe has to admit they were straining and searching under rocks to cough up their conclusion.


116 posted on 10/28/2007 6:39:03 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day
And the longer Roe remains law, the more difficult it will be to overturn. Isn’t there some latin term for that (stare decisis?) that means that accepted law should remain in place even if wrongly/poorly decided? Any constitutional lawyers out there want to help clarify?
117 posted on 10/28/2007 6:46:23 PM PDT by tips up
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To: EternalVigilance; Reagan Man
EV, you and I and Reagan Man had this discussion before. The reason why I posted it, is because it's apparently open season to call Dr. Paul a pro-abortionist here.

I'm not going to pollute Jim's thread by arguing over who's more pro-life and which method is the best to stop abortion. I just posted it as a reminder that Paul is pro-life despite what other FReepers think to the contrary.

118 posted on 10/28/2007 6:49:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: CrosscutSaw; All

“The issue then is getting the Federal Government to recognize the unborn as a person entitled to equal protection under the law. If Congress voted on this, could the Supreme Court reverse it?”

YES, Exactly!

That is why DUNCAN HUNTER and, I think, 100 other congressmen have signed the unborn personhood legislation.

You can read about it at his website:

www.gohunter08.com


119 posted on 10/28/2007 6:51:26 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I’ve “had this discussion” with many. The conservative movement has been infected with this heresy over the course of years, and it won’t be corrected if it is not clarified and boldly confronted.

The Paul, Thompson, Romney, McCain, and Huckabee position is an attempt to revoke the Reagan pro-life platform, and take us back to Gerald Ford.

In fact, this was the EXACT position of Jerry Ford.


120 posted on 10/28/2007 6:54:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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