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Vets plan to ignore ban on flag-folding recitations
One News Now ^ | October 26, 2007 | Jim Brown

Posted on 10/26/2007 1:23:22 PM PDT by Sopater

An American Legion commander in California says he and other veterans will defy a newly imposed ban on flag-folding recitations that include references to God.

During thousands of military burials, Veterans Administration employees and volunteers have folded the American flag 13 times and recited the significance of every fold to survivors. The fourth fold, for example, refers to God's "divine guidance." The 11th fold glorifies "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." And the 12th fold glorifies "God the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost." Now the National Cemetery Association has made a decision to ban flag-folding recitations by VA employees and volunteers at all 125 national cemeteries -- all because of one complaint about a ceremony at Riverside National Cemetery in California that included a reference to God.

Rees Lloyd is director of the California Defense of Veterans Memorials Project and part of a 16-member detail that has performed military honors at more than 1,400 services. He says veterans -- and in particular, American Legionnaires -- are outraged by the ban.

"It's outrageous," he says bluntly. "These are decisions that should be made by the families of our deceased veteran comrades and not by Washington bureaucrats -- and most certainly not by any narcissistic, disaffected, offended atheist, agnostic, or any other [person] who is upset or offended by the word 'God' or a religious symbol which might offend his delicate sensibilities."

Lloyd vows that even if there are "a hundred-million offended atheists," he and other American Legionnaires will stand against the ban.

"We will defy this ban, pure and simple," he states. "If the families ask us to recite the flag-folding ceremony, we will abide by the wishes of the family -- not [by the wishes of] some bureaucrat sitting in an air-conditioned office in Washington, DC, or some lawyer wearing a diaper back there whose main mission in life is to protect his own behind instead of standing up for the American people and saying enough is enough."

Lloyd, who is a California civil rights attorney, says he and his allies at the Alliance Defense Fund are considering their legal options.

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KEYWORDS: aclu; aclurungovernment; censorship; civildisobedience; cranksveto; militaryfunerals; oldglory; revisionism; veterans
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1 posted on 10/26/2007 1:23:23 PM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Good for them.


2 posted on 10/26/2007 1:24:19 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: Sopater
"We will defy this ban, pure and simple,"

Go!

3 posted on 10/26/2007 1:25:16 PM PDT by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: rocksblues
we will abide by the wishes of the family -- not [by the wishes of] some bureaucrat sitting in an air-conditioned office in Washington, DC, or some lawyer wearing a diaper back there whose main mission in life is to protect his own behind instead of standing up for the American people and saying enough is enough.

As it should be.
4 posted on 10/26/2007 1:27:01 PM PDT by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Sopater

I’ll stand with them ready to beat the atheists back.


5 posted on 10/26/2007 1:27:28 PM PDT by wastedyears (A cosmic castaway)
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To: pgyanke
some bureaucrat sitting in an air-conditioned office in Washington, DC, or some lawyer wearing a diaper

roflmao! i like this guy!

6 posted on 10/26/2007 1:28:34 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: wastedyears

I’m shoulder to shoulder beside you brother!


7 posted on 10/26/2007 1:28:49 PM PDT by woollyone (tazers are the 21st century version of the rusty bed frame, car battery, & clamps)
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To: Sopater

***we will abide by the wishes of the family — not [by the wishes of] some bureaucrat sitting in an air-conditioned office in Washington, DC, or some lawyer wearing a diaper back there whose main mission in life is to protect his own behind instead of standing up for the American people and saying enough is enough.***

LOL


8 posted on 10/26/2007 1:29:12 PM PDT by wastedyears (A cosmic castaway)
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To: Sopater

Please ping me on this when they have a Burial and Folf=ding ceremony in the Atlanta, Ga area.

Please.


9 posted on 10/26/2007 1:30:06 PM PDT by papasmurf (sudo apt - get install FRed Thompson)
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To: Sopater
In the Southern vernacular, there needs to be a killin'.
10 posted on 10/26/2007 1:31:00 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Sopater
Bravo! This needs to be the standard response to this anti-God PC nonsense. We will NOT be told we cannot worship, and that we cannot recognize the significance of Judeo-Christian thought in our culture. ACLU be damned!

I seem to recall at least a couple of similar incidents. In one, a stadium full of football fans defied an injunction that forbade prayer before the game. In another, a class valedictorian gave a religious-oriented speech to the cheers of her classmates, even though some god-hater had tried to silence her.

This is true civil disobedience -- standing firm in the face of sanctioned wrongdoing.

11 posted on 10/26/2007 1:32:31 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Sopater
I realize all y'all here are full versed in this, but just in case any casual passer-by gets confused:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

12 posted on 10/26/2007 1:33:32 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Sopater
Every American should vote Republican in the upcoming elections.

We can sort out the chaff later!

13 posted on 10/26/2007 1:33:50 PM PDT by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: Sopater

“...or any other [person] who is upset or offended...”


I wonder what word was replaced with [person].


14 posted on 10/26/2007 1:35:07 PM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: rocksblues
They fought for the right to ignore such a ban!!!

Go get 'em!!

15 posted on 10/26/2007 1:39:19 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: rocksblues
>"We will defy this ban, pure and simple,"

Go!

Absolutely correct. What we need is to openly defy bullfeces rulings like this. Make them arrest people in the middle of services. Such video might not have made the MSM programs in the past (or present), but they'd be the most virulent of videos on this here Internet thing.

Fear no more, people!

(P.S. - Why couldn't that letter from Jefferson have been lost in the mail? ;/)

16 posted on 10/26/2007 1:39:33 PM PDT by Impugn (I am standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.)
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To: pgyanke

Good for them INDEED.

The ONLY way to DERAIL the train which is trying so determinedly to destroy the fabric, culture and basic founding principles of nation is through acts of massive
Civil Disobedience.

Tyrants MUST be confronted or, like wolves, will become more and more aggressive.


17 posted on 10/26/2007 1:39:42 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Sopater

There comes a time...


18 posted on 10/26/2007 1:40:34 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Sopater

Rees Lloyd - YOU DA MAN!


19 posted on 10/26/2007 1:41:26 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: Stark_GOP
>“...or any other [person] who is upset or offended...”

I wonder what word was replaced with [person].

It was "undocumented worker". Yep, now they're displaying the outrage and indignation that Americans won't do.

20 posted on 10/26/2007 1:41:49 PM PDT by Impugn (I am standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.)
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