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1 posted on 10/25/2007 7:55:39 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

Woo hoo!! Go, Pat, Go!!


2 posted on 10/25/2007 7:58:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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Rudy offers the right the ultimate Faustian bargain: retention of power at the price of one's soul.

Not even....we lose the soul and the power....and get pwn3d by the beast.

3 posted on 10/25/2007 7:59:19 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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Looking for Mr. Right [it's not Rudy: GOP nominates him at the price of its soul

As I look at leaders such as Norm Coleman from Minnesota and the Earmark Kings we had as leaders for the last several years, I can't get comfortable with idea that the GOP has much soul to meet the price. Another cost is, and can you say out loud, "Madam President?" That will be the ultimate cost.

4 posted on 10/25/2007 8:00:57 PM PDT by stevem
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Rudy offers the right the ultimate Faustian bargain: retention of power at the price of one’s soul.


Rudy offers retention of power.

Next.


6 posted on 10/25/2007 8:02:44 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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This will not happen. I was just reviewing RealClearPolitics and if the Conservatives unite behind Fred Thompson. He beats Rudy in every race.

If and when Tancredo, Huckabee, and Hunter drop out, their supporters will surely come to the only true Conservative left. Fred is not that far behind in all these polls. Rudy will not be the Republican nominee. It just cannot happen. Mitt Romney is just too packaged a presentation for there to be any depth. Romney will waffle on whatever it takes to put him on top.

Conservatives need to consolidate behind Fred Thompson and lets get serious about this contest. Conservatives against RINOS!

7 posted on 10/25/2007 8:02:53 PM PDT by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN OLD FEMALE FREEPER! and a FredHEAD!)
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rudy will never get the nomination. No one wants a president that is a name they cannot spell.


9 posted on 10/25/2007 8:07:12 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: freedomdefender
>Rudy offers the right the ultimate Faustian bargain: retention of power at the price of one's soul.

Hillary will beat him like a drum.

In fact, of every politician in America, Rudy is the only one that she has beaten fairly, up and down.

Other than her last Senate race that Rudy had the good sense to stay out of.
The man cannot even deliver NY, let alone the WH.

13 posted on 10/25/2007 8:16:28 PM PDT by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: freedomdefender

I’m sorry but a rudy beats the hitlary every time...and NOT at the cost of my soul, but to protect this nation from EVIL!!!!!


16 posted on 10/25/2007 8:24:44 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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Let's say Rudy becomes President.

He makes a magnificent inaugural speech. He talks tough on terrorism and everything else we're expecting a serious man to say.

Within a week of his Presidency, we'll see Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Castro(?), Zawahiri, ect, taking their turns holding up a photo of the President of the United States dressed-up as Marilyn Monroe.

Has anyone considered this?

17 posted on 10/25/2007 8:28:27 PM PDT by eric_da_grate
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To: freedomdefender
Rudy offers the right the ultimate Faustian bargain: retention of power at the price of one's soul.

Which is why I'll never vote for him. Not ever.

19 posted on 10/25/2007 8:47:33 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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President Bush already sold our soul for us. He sold us out to globalism and the North American Union. He tried to sell us out to Mexico.


22 posted on 10/25/2007 8:51:42 PM PDT by Swordfished
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Its been a long long time since I’ve agreed with Pat Buchanon on anything...but he nails this.


30 posted on 10/25/2007 9:42:59 PM PDT by DesScorp
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Pat is wrong about 99% of the time but today he is in the 1% zone and nails it.


35 posted on 10/25/2007 11:27:47 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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Has pat buchannan ever won an election in his life??!!

If you put aside all the name calling, here’s the problem...

You’ve got two wings of the party
a) the Pat Buchannan Ron Paul side
b) the Rudy McRomney Side

Rudy McRomney represents electable candidates
the Pat Buchannan Ron Paul side represents an unelectable candidate.

So the question you have to ask is whether you want to be represented in government or not. If all you want to do is stomp around with your principles dangling between your legs then fine, vote for ron paul. But if you want to really affect change then you need to vote for someone who can win. Because i guarantee you that hillary is going to be riding in on a tidal wave of Chinese Funding.


37 posted on 10/26/2007 3:21:17 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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Paramount reason to send Giuliani packing: he is the obedient lapdog of the Everything-For Us-Nothing-For-You types who are bent on transforming America into an irrational Mideast-type satrap.

Rooty and his neopukes are obsessed with religiously cleansing the Repub party and dumping so/cons off the party lifeboat. They would decimate our system of checks and balances and give liberals control of the entire US government.

A religiously-cleansed America, erased of The Founder's principles, would unleash an irrational, valueless mentality that has no relevance to American traditions.

The idea of Rooty's irrational, religiously cleansed mindset, degrading America into a Third World Mideast satellite, is repulsive.

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Rooty and his Tooters offend the sensibilities of patriotic religious Americans nurtured by a democracy built on freedom of religion. These irrational religious-haters are lying in wait to subjugate conservatives to second-class citizenship.

Giuliani worships at the Church of Whatever Works for Me. He doesn't believe in anything-----or rather----he believes in doing and saying anything that will get him elected.

The thought of an irrational, religiously cleansed mindset controlling the levers of our government is repellent.

38 posted on 10/26/2007 5:46:15 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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Pat gets a BUMP! for this one. He nails Rooty to a tee.


39 posted on 10/26/2007 5:47:40 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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With the collapse of the Soviet Empire and the breakup of the Soviet Union, anti-communism as the defining and unifying issue of the right was gone. The conservative crack-up commenced.

The conservatives that decided to "crack-up" are a bunch of idiots. Just because the Soviet Union took a hiatus it did not mean that communism went away. In fact I can see communism not just in many portions of the united States of America, but when I look hard enough and snap out any denial, I can see it in within the conservative movement as well.

In my opinion, Pat, Perot, and the other populist-protectionist champions are a huge part of the problem. These are people that unwittingly step right into the communist den by railing against commerce when foreigners are involved (admittedly, some commerce with some foreigners is acceptable to these people but the industry in question and the origin of the foreigner matters a whole lot). But that's not where the problems end. These conservatives have sympathies to the efforts of labor unions, embrace environmental movements (because the arguments can be used as a means to discourage trade), show their disdain for the profit motive, engage in class warfare rhetoric, and look for -- and call attention to -- every single dark cloud amongst a sky full of silver linings.

Quite frankly, the louder the chorus of these so-called true conservatives gets, the more I believe that they're responsible for the "crack-up", have cracked-up, and that more of a crack-up is needed for the future. Maybe conservatives, in the long run, really would be better off with another Clinton presidency: at least she wouldn't be stupid enough to implement a cut & run from the WOT and for this reason, her friends in the media would suddenly and mysteriously run stories that would cause Americans to rally behind our efforts for a change.

The other fall out could be positive as well (save for another Ginsburg appointment). Conservatives would be forced to get their house in order or just get on with the divorce; either way, we'll get resolution on this issue and move on from there. We also may come to the conclusion that the president is really handicapped by a Republican congress who does not want to do a single thing to limit the size and scope of the federal government. Many conservatives lay blame at the feet of president Bush for the run-way spending. And while it is true that Bush could have and should have busted out his veto pen much more often, the legislative branch -- which was in Republican hands for both house and senate -- brought him the bills to sign. Anyone that really understands the process knows that legislative deals are made all the time and a Bush non-veto on a sh!tty bill may have been a necessary quid pro quo for a tax cut or a contentious -- contentious for North-Eastern senate Republicans -- Supreme Court appointee. You just don't know the behind the scenes muck that goes on in the legislature but it rarely is favorable to taxpayers or to our liberty; you all do remember the Gang of 14 (it had seven "R"s) and the thud of scoial security reform (this wasn't Bush's fault).

Conservatives on this site rally behind a seemingly endless stream of populist editorials that seek to skewer Rudy Giuliani and this is probably a good thing during a primary. When the editorials go beyond this and seek to sabotage a candidate to the point where he -- should he become the party's candidate -- could not recover from the editorial assassinations in time for the general election, we will get a Democrat.

So, do what you want if Rudy happens to become the party's nominee, Conservatives, whether it is not voting for him or voting third party, but just do not forget to fix the problems where they really lie, in the congress and even within ourselves for being so divided.

41 posted on 10/26/2007 6:57:56 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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Amen, Pat.


43 posted on 10/26/2007 7:15:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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The price of a Giuliani nomination is also the 'loss of the conservative IDENTITY' of the Republican Party.

That price is much, MUCH TOO HIGH!!!!

46 posted on 10/26/2007 8:31:14 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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Rooty puts party before principle and country. He would be the worst candidate we could nominate.

We can fight him in the primaries, but somehow most of us believe he is being pushed upon us whether we like it or not.

If he gets the nomination this “party” will go down in flames and will not return for any time in the near future.

Hillary is a totally lousy candidate, but she will win with a division in the GOP. Rudy will create that division.


53 posted on 10/26/2007 11:35:51 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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