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I like this proposal, but I do not think it will withstand Constitutional scrutiny. The Legislature could legally implement this proposal, but that will never happen in this bluest of states.
1 posted on 10/23/2007 8:00:05 AM PDT by SmithL
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I think it will: in states where intitiative and referendum are part of the state constitution, the electorate is the legislature intermittently when there are ballot issues.


2 posted on 10/23/2007 8:29:13 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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Since initiatives have the weight of law in California, why would it not pass Constitutional muster?


3 posted on 10/23/2007 8:37:12 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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If this happens, Republicans should have a virtual lock on the presidency. That would be an extra 15-20 electoral votes!


4 posted on 10/23/2007 8:41:50 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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“” like this proposal, but I do not think it will withstand Constitutional scrutiny.””

Why not? Its already being done in two states (New Mexico & New Hampshire).


5 posted on 10/23/2007 8:54:01 AM PDT by NRG1973
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I don’t really think this is a particularly good precedent to set. It sounds great in California ... but we might not be so pleased if it were to happen in Texas (which, if it happens in CA, TX will be close behind).

This draws the nation closer to a popular election, and farther away from the state-based electoral election the founders had invisioned.

This isn’t a good idea.

H


6 posted on 10/23/2007 9:07:24 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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This is a clever initiative and we in the GOP , a huge minority now in Ca., will vote for it. But, no one else will. I cannot see how the majority Dems will allow this ploy to get by. If Arnold came out for it, perhaps. But, even then , I doubt it.


16 posted on 10/23/2007 11:13:38 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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“I like this proposal, but I do not think it will withstand Constitutional scrutiny. The Legislature could legally implement this proposal, but that will never happen in this bluest of states.”


I agree with you. The Constitution provides that the state legislatures decide how electoral votes are handed out. Doing this by referendum would be just as unconstitutional as when that Brazilian billionaire placed a proportional-EVs method on the Colorado ballot in 2004, or when the Florida Supreme Court changed the legislatively approved rules for counting votes in presidential elections.

As for the initiative proponent’s statement that the CD method could go into effect for the election being held on the same day that the initiative is approved, I don’t think it holds water. The rules for handing out EVs are the ones in place on the day of the election, and can’t be changed retroactively. Even if the referendum is deemed to be an appropriate way to change the rules, it wouldn’t be able to go into effect until the 2012 election.


19 posted on 10/23/2007 1:04:28 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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California Republicans are not conservative, they are "populist."

The Mobocratic "recall and referendum" BS is one of the key reasons that CA is a laughingstock. Rule by the Sheeple indeed.

23 posted on 10/23/2007 5:17:45 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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The closer an election comes to representing the individual opinion of an elector, the closer our republic comes to mob rule.

Our system: We choose electors. They choose the winner. Any deviation and we are no longer a democratic republic.

Democracy, especially direct democracy, is the most abusive and shortest lived of all forms of governance.

24 posted on 10/23/2007 5:29:11 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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