a joke, son!
Posted on 10/21/2007 11:38:01 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
I am going to post just a small review of my night with 23 Republicans at the Fox News Orlando Republican Presidential Debate.
Luntz was angry early on before camera's went live when he polled the group to make sure everyone there was undecided. A 21 yr old guy raised his hand and said he was supporting Ron Paul. Luntz absolutely lost it on this kid and said "Why in the hell did you not put that on your questionaire that was e-mailed to you? Why does it not shock me that a Ron Paul supporter would pull this kind of crap?"
"If someone else shows up you are being replaced and out of here...this room is for undecided."
I was originally placed in the second row towards the end of the row next to a man named Fred Hawkins Jr. who is running for Osceola County Commissioner. Luntz asked us a bunch of questions with a camera crew and producers in tow behind him and I was the first to answer. I was the first person to use the word "socialism" and it spread like wild fire.
I said the concept of America voting a socialist like Hillary Clinton as President should be motivation enough for Republicans to get their act together. I reminded Luntz of the Hillary quote saying "This is the same woman who is quoted by the San Francisco Chronicle saying "We will have to take things away for the common good." Luntz had this smirk on his face and he knew I handed him gold.
After 3 segments it was time to go live. By the time you saw what you did at home we had already gone through 3 rounds of questions and I was lighting up the joint with what I call the biggest crisis this campaign.
What do any of these men who are running for President plan on doing to combat the extreme hatred of anyone who is a Republican by the mainstream media and how bad the liberal blogs, Soros, and just about everyone who has some sort of journalistic power slimes Republicans on a daily basis. Who is going to have the spine to stand up to it and how do they plan on doing it when the Bush Administration has been knocked out time and time again with no fight.
WHO IS GOING TO PREVENT THE PERCEPTION THAT REPUBLICANS ARE NOT WAR MONGERING NAZI'S WHO ARE OUT FOR OIL COMPANIES AND THE RICH?
Luntz definitely told us through his polling and research that as of today Hillary Clinton will win in a landslide. He was putting all of his money on her. I said you are going to go broke. He said Republicans are too disorganized and the focus group proved that.
I said not it does not. I said if you want to see motivation and organization? Put Hillary Clinton against any Republican and you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before, the alternative is too grave. Whether we can stand it or not Republicans will do everything in their power to elect anyone else but Clinton.
You saw my exchange later on saying we have long memories and do not want to live through that hell again.
The Ron Paul comment I made was simple and sweet and every single person except the Ron Paul supporter all said "perfect" with regards to that remark.
Luntz walks over and says "you are good...you are going down to the front row...keep talking."
We taped about 70 mins worth of discussion. More clips will be aired at 6:20 AM on Fox and Friends First and then 8:20 AM on Fox and Friends. Then more clips from the debate will be aired on tomorrow's Hannity and Colmes as well from 9-10.
I am sure this is when you will see how hardcore it got in there.
I called out the room at the end of it all..when I saw how many people put their hands up that Rudy was the only one who could beat Hillary I said "I am really saddened to see how many people think he is their answer. That is very telling that the fire that was there earlier tonight for all of us agreeing that we want a true Conservative is gone already and that makes me sick as a true Conservative."
To me the top winners tonight were Romney, Huckabee, Thompson, and blech...I hate to say this but Rudy. His night was not that bad but he certainly is not my top choice for President.
I called for a thining of the herd. Paul, Tancredo, and Hunter need to go. They virtually played zero in the room. It was sad because I really like Tom and Duncan and said that if a Republican wins the White House in 2008 they should all be given cabinet posts ASAP.
Except Paul...which who by the end of the night lost his one supporter...the 21 yr old guy who didn't raise his hand when asked if anyone supported him.
Finally...Luntz. A nice guy but can be insulting. When he compared a moderate conservative to a major serious conservative he wanted a show of hands...then he added "When I say major serious conservative I mean you can hear the German Nazi marching bands and get excited", I then said to him "There it is..exactly what I was talking about." Luntz said "Relax I was only joking." I said "I know you were and it is that kind of talk that I am absolutely disgusted by and sick of...sick of it Frank...enough is enough with the nazi conservative comparisons people have got to speak up for conservatives...true conservatives."
That in a short capsule is it. Met some really nice people and we had a discussion at the end of everything and went our own ways.
I thank Luntz for letting me say whatever I wanted to on camera and speak up for Conservatives and letting me call Ron Paul out on global television.
Yes he was pushing the Rudy questions,then he had a total of one for Thompson, and then Romney rounded out a few. He mentioned Huckabee a few times just to add to the list of names. There were 4 who thought Huckabee won the debate...I was one of them. I thought he was strong and clear. But I am sure there will be someone here to tell me how wrong I am on that opinion ;)
You saw me? Really? That’s amazing, since I’m thousands of miles away from the debate.
:o)
I have been on FR since 99...trust me..it’s all talk right now. When the chips are on the table you will see us mount an army against Clinton like you have never seen before. You have to remember that it is the Clinton’s who inspired Jim to start this site to begin with.
Yes. He was very specific on Rudy and pushing him. I would tell you if you were only seeing things at home in the wrong light. I am however not pleased this morning on the Fox editors who chose to edit out a lot of the responses from last night’s q&a that was going on for at least 70 mins.
We will see what else Luntz has to say on Hannity and Colmes tonight when he covers more of last night’s group.
it is all perception and quite frankly unfixable.
Giulaini is identical to Hillary on too many issues.
Hillary will simply run to the right of Giuliani and with the kind of split and lack of support, Hillary wins.
No Giuliani, NO PROBLEM.
I expect he will poo poo Thompson’s direct hit on Giuliani. (giuliani identical to hillary)
I have your answer and it comes straight from them off camera. Luntz is from Connecticut and he openly said he shouldn’t be saying this but “Rudy cleaned up NYC from the shit hole it was under Dinkins and Koch...he saved it..that he was mugged in the streets when Dinkin was mayor...he enforces what he believes in”
Luntz’s words...not mine.
I think it is a northeast/nyc thing. They all have roots in NYC and know Hillary is not a New Yorker and Rudy is centrist enough to swallow voting R.
It was really good to have your report ahead of time.
It’s amazing how someone you trust who reports first can show the media for the distortionists they are.
Many thanks for your time.
FoxNews turned this into a Rudy event in less than 8 hours. Is it any wonder that former conservative Hannity is now a shill for Rudy.
I wonder if Rudy still has his dad’s connections and Sean’s worried about his children’s kneecaps.
i totally agree with you. i have personally observed that those with a nexus to NY/NJ have a much easier time imagining a giuliani presidency. i call it the NJ/NY rudy taint.
Watched the debate - at least parts of it, and it looked like the 4 front runners: RG; MR; DH; & FT were duking it out pretty good. Hillary was a favorite punching bag when it came to health care and the economy.
Huckabee was trying to stay in there, but I think he will turn into the froth of somebody’s wake.
Questions could have been more direct, and more response time on rebuttals would have been nice.
RG was a wind bag - and sucking up to MR.
Mitt looked pretty - and that is all he is good for, because FT was hammering the gay marriage thing in Massachussetts like it was going out of style.
ROFL no I saw MFH. sorry bout that!!
My fiancee said to me on the ride home last night “Are you scared for your life now that you said so much on TV about the Clinton’s?”
I said two things:
1. I said plenty in 2000 about the criminal enterprise known as the Clinton’s to survive.
2. I am scared for my life if I DON’T speak up against the Clinton’s.
Period.
a joke, son!
Again, that was off-camera and I would not slander the guy if he didn’t say it. He said it when he was trying to clarify his numbers of moderates and true hardcore conservatives. Only when I said what I said in defense did he say oh relax I was joking.
Yes it was...and thanks! I will work my hardest as I did in 2000 to make sure the Clinton/Gore era never returns to power.
..I totally believe it!
Then you are not “staying home”. If you also don’t think we should throw all the Rudy supporters out of the party and tell all the Ron Paul supporters to go away, then you are the least of my worries.
We better brace ourselves, because I don't see any alternative.
From here on out, the Sean Hannity full court press will be on.
We will be told Giuliani is the only POSSIBLE candidate who stands a chance against the Beast.
If it takes a liberal to beat a liberal, they can take this game and shove it.
We have to work at not settling for Rudy but getting the job done right in the primary. But when the chips are down you will see people voting against Hillary more than they are for Rudy.
She is NOT liked.
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