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Beware of an Arnold Dressed as a Rudy (Could Giuliani Spread the Damage Nationwide?)
Townhall ^ | October 21, 2007 | Frank Pastore

Posted on 10/21/2007 10:09:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Reagan Man
Btw, whenever you feel compelled to defend Rooty Toot, I encourage you to look me up.

I've no interest in defending Guiliani. He doesn't fall on the correct side of the issues enough for my support. But, were I to encounter someone who did support him, I think I'd stand a better chance of changing that person's mind to a more conservative candidate, such as Hunter or Thompson, than would someone who just spewed ridicule. You don't build support by driving out dissenters; you build it by changing their hearts to your side.

What you don't seem to be getting is that I am not criticizing your position; I am criticizing your methods of promoting it. If a main purpose of FR is to "champion causes which further conservatism in America", and one of those causes is to reduce Rudy's support in the Real World, I think that is better done by convincing the Rudy boosters they are wrong with solid argument, rather than chasing them away with insults.

BS from a nobody.

Thanks! As you know, Nobody's perfect.

101 posted on 10/22/2007 10:11:58 AM PDT by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: LexBaird
When I first joined FR, I made many attempts to change peoples minds. For the most part, its an effort in futility. Today, I'm not interested in changing anyones mind when it comes to their support for Rooty, or anyother liberal candidate for that matter. It remains a huge waste of time and energy. Again, you miss the point of what Free Republic is all about. One more time, for your benefit.

Free Republic advances conservatism, promotes conservative candidates and defends the Constitution. We FReepers are like minded in our politics. We have no desire to debate the pros and cons of liberalism. We oppose all aspects of liberalism. Nuff said.

As for my tactics. After a year plus of posting the factual truth about Giuliani, its time for some serious rhetorical ridicule. FReepers don't care about RudyBoosters. Just ask JimRob. FReepers aren't concerned with what RudyBoosters maybe thinking. In fact, for the most part, FReepers don't really care what Romney or McCain supporters are thinking either. Aside from FRed, the other three top tier candidates aren't taken seriously by most FReepers.

You need to get with the program. I've learned after many years. You'll never change the mind of a liberal. Period.

102 posted on 10/22/2007 10:54:25 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
I don't "get with programs". That's just another name for groupthink. I prefer to think for myself, and consider the trait to be rather common among conservatives. We herd like cats, and like it that way.

I am sorry you have given up on trying to convert others to conservative thought. Trying to convince anyone is mostly an exercise in futility, as you say, but it is so worth it when it happens.

As for my tactics. After a year plus of posting the factual truth about Giuliani, its time for some serious rhetorical ridicule. FReepers don't care about RudyBoosters. Just ask JimRob. FReepers aren't concerned with what RudyBoosters maybe thinking. In fact, for the most part, FReepers don't really care what Romney or McCain supporters are thinking either. Aside from FRed, the other three top tier candidates aren't taken seriously by most FReepers.

Well, they damn well should be. They might be leading this nation in Jan '09. If that thought bothers you, consider that your tactics are doing very little to change it; you only harden the opposition.

103 posted on 10/22/2007 11:47:15 AM PDT by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: LexBaird
>>>>>I don't "get with programs". That's just another name for groupthink. I prefer to think for myself, and consider the trait to be rather common among conservatives.

You're free to be a loner..... malcontent, misfit or militant. The choice is yours.

Conservatives by our nature, are free thinkers. Conservative politics around this forum is limited to individuals supporting the conservative agenda, and those issues, policies and themes which advance conservatism. FReepers consider liberals to be the enemy.

If you enjoy dealing with liberals, have at it. I have more important things to be concerned about. And if my tactics upset the liberal opposition, or their enablers, I call that success.

104 posted on 10/22/2007 12:19:29 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: seemoAR

They don’t dare.


105 posted on 10/22/2007 5:13:37 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: Reagan Man
I’m not impressed.

Well you oughta be because she's been in the trenches here exposing Rudy's agenda. She's actually posted links and sources rather than just merely stating that she hates Rudy like you have.

106 posted on 10/22/2007 10:04:27 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
>>>>>Well you oughta be because she's been in the trenches here exposing Rudy's agenda. She's actually posted links and sources rather than just merely stating that she hates Rudy like you have.

Took you 24 hours to post that BS!

I posted plenty of facts exposing Rooty`s liberalism going back to August 2006! Remember this early thread: Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani

I was in the trenches long before you or calcowgirl showed up. In fact, I can remember you started out supporting Giuliani. LOL Then you came to your senses. Now your angry at the world, because Jim put the kibosh on your support for Ron Paul. Thats not my fault.

You've got some nerve. You owe me an apology for that stupid post.

107 posted on 10/22/2007 10:48:01 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Check this out:

To: Reagan Man

Great post. Wish the Rudybots would find someone else to worship.

38 posted on 08/30/2006 10:39:54 AM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)

108 posted on 10/22/2007 10:55:48 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
Took you 24 hours to post that BS!

Some people work you know. I don't have the luxury of posting 24/7 here like you FR crack fiends.

Now your angry at the world, because Jim put the kibosh on your support for Ron Paul. Thats not my fault.

I'm mad because you've developed a real catty attitude lately against FReepers who don't kiss the platinum ring of Fred, ripping on long-time FReepers and crap.

109 posted on 10/22/2007 11:06:52 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
>>>>>Some people work you know. I don't have the luxury of posting 24/7 here like you FR crack fiends.

What BS! I looked up your posts for the last 24 hours. You made other posts, but you just got around to mine. Right! LOL

>>>>>I'm mad because you've developed a real catty attitude lately against FReepers who don't kiss the platinum ring of Fred, ripping on long-time FReepers and crap.

More BS! For starters, your precious calcowgirl attacked me first. Then she apologized. So what long time FReepers am I ripping? Ever since Fred made his campaign official, lotsa folks have felt compelled to attack him. Mostly with cheap pot shots. I've no intention of sitting back and watch folks engage in endless gutter trashtalk.

Things are going to get even more heated around here. If you can't take the heat, leave.

110 posted on 10/22/2007 11:26:57 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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