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Beware of an Arnold Dressed as a Rudy (Could Giuliani Spread the Damage Nationwide?)
Townhall ^ | October 21, 2007 | Frank Pastore

Posted on 10/21/2007 10:09:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: businessprofessor
I do not think that we should be using 1994 as a model for taking back control.

I don't like it, either, but if Rudy is the nominee, I really don't see another way out of the mess. The Republican Party cannot abandon the social conservatives so completely by nominating someone completely antithetical to their views (at least Romney pays them some lip service). If so, they will go back to the status they had during the New Deal-Great Society days, when the only person we could elect as President was a general who was allowed to win a war. It will take a generation or more to rebuild this party, and the unborn will have been forever abandoned by that point.

What's the sense in voting for the guy with the (R) next to his name, if the brand no longer means anything?

61 posted on 10/21/2007 12:59:43 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There are indirect Romney/McCain links to Soros, as well. According to Michelle Malkin, Soros donated money to the Main Street Individual Fund, a group she links to the Republican Main Street Partnership.

http://michellemalkin.com/2005/11/28/exposing-the-main-street-republicans/

McCain is currently listed as a Republican Main Street Partnership member senator:
http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/members.htm

When Romney was in office, he was a member governor (along with Pataki and Schwartzenegger):
http://web.archive.org/web/20050526141137/http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/members.htm

Are these indirect links close enough to be meaningful? Who knows.


62 posted on 10/21/2007 1:00:48 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: goldstategop

And I will blame the party elites for running RINO candidates we can’t vote for.


63 posted on 10/21/2007 1:01:17 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Beware of an Arnold Dressed as a Rudy (Could Giuliani Spread the Damage Nationwide?)”

Ever since that crapola last week out of Schwarzen - Kennedy’s office basically FORCING homosexual Indoctrination on school kids this is what has been on my mind. Is this what a Rudy Presidency would bring us nationally?


64 posted on 10/21/2007 1:01:46 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: goldstategop

“He made conservative promises, broke them and moved Left as soon as he was safely in office.”

And that could never happen with Rudy, right?


65 posted on 10/21/2007 1:03:44 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: seemoAR

“What if the Witch was running as a Republican?.”

Well that would automatically make her acceptable now wouldn’t it?

(sarcasm)


66 posted on 10/21/2007 1:05:47 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: hunter112

The GOP would also be abandoning small government conservatives by nominating Giuliani. There may be a few who care only about taxes who would still support him. However, most small-l libertarian types care about the overall size and intrusiveness of the federal government, not just about taxes. For the latter group, Giuliani would be a disaster.

So, the current leader in the polls represents an abandonment of 2/3 of the Reagan coalition (and IMO, his national security record doesn’t merit the support of the defense hawks, either). As the old curse goes, we live in interesting times.


67 posted on 10/21/2007 1:06:16 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Bobkk47

“For you social conservatives (I’m an economic Conservative) Mitt is against gay marriage and abortion.”

Yeah, NOW he is.


68 posted on 10/21/2007 1:07:44 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: Bobkk47

“Vote for the GOP nominee, period.”

What if Hillary had an “R” after her name?


69 posted on 10/21/2007 1:08:27 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: Reagan Man; calcowgirl; goldstategop
Its a serious charge being compared to one of the most anti-conservatives ever to post on this forum. Think about it.

It isn't who you endorse that 's being compared. It's your tactics in doing so. Calcowgirl is correct: you are employing the exact, same "Us or Them, you're no conservative" rhetoric that FO employed constantly. Lots of the candidate partisans are full of the same tactics, from all sides.

As Calcowgirl points out, we are supposed to be adults making informed adult decisions. Personal attacks do nothing to further those decisions. Scorched earth vituperance is offensive, no matter whom employs it, let alone when it is dumped on fellow conservatives whom you might well want at your back in the General elections. GSGOP was a scarred vet here in the Arnie/McClintock wars, and has earned respect from the rest of the "Ilk" for his opinions on the subject. I don't recall your contributions at that time.

Think about that.

70 posted on 10/21/2007 1:45:21 PM PDT by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: Grunthor
What if Hillary had an “R” after her name?

Al Gore(R) for president! He can win! /s

71 posted on 10/21/2007 1:55:30 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: LexBaird; Reagan Man

Thanks Lex. You said that much more diplomatically than I did. FWIW, ReaganMan was a very avid anti-Arnold during the Recall posting very compelling arguments as to why Schwarzenegger should be opposed and withstanding some of the worst flames. I learned a lot from him at the time.

RM, I regret the manner in which I delivered the message (but not the message itself as Lex describes better). For that, I apologize.


72 posted on 10/21/2007 1:59:40 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Boy was I wrong. I expected to see, in the first few posts, Arnold dressed up in Rudy’s drag costume.


73 posted on 10/21/2007 2:00:30 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
All this will happen because I—like millions of other conservative Christians in California—voted for Arnold. I voted for the Republican Arnold in order to avoid the Democrat Bustamante—but ended up getting quite of bit of Bustamante anyway. I’m not mad at Arnold, really. He told us who he was and what he believed in, and we were just glad we could vote for a candidate that had a real shot at “winning,” who could “stop Bustamante.”

The man was obviously Hannitized at the time.

I support SB 777!

74 posted on 10/21/2007 2:04:20 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: calcowgirl

That is a question that none of the Rudy rooters can answer.


75 posted on 10/21/2007 2:10:11 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; backtothestreets; pissant; GulfBreeze; Ultra Sonic 007

A man laments the “Collie-Forniya” that he voted for.

As for me, I’m voting for the Big DH in the primaries.


76 posted on 10/21/2007 2:11:30 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: Caipirabob
Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors...Establishment Republicans Who can tell the difference?

Fixed your tagline.

77 posted on 10/21/2007 2:13:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: LexBaird
I don't think we've ever exchanged replies before. Now I know why. You don't know a damn thing about politics.

>>>>>It isn't who you endorse that 's being compared. It's your tactics in doing so.

My tactics are to see the best conservative candidate gets the nomination. Not some liberal, centrist or moderate. You can get a better insight into my political reasoning at post #60.

For your information, FO was supporting two liberals. First Schwarzenegger and then Giuliani. His posts in support of Rooty is what got him banned. I don't support liberals of any stripe, nor do I condone liberalism of any kind.

>>>>>I don't recall your contributions at that time.

Looks like you don't know a damn thing about me either. In the 2003 recall election, I supported conservative Tom McClintock over the liberal Ahnold. I took as much abuse from the Harpies, as anyone who dared to oppose Ahnold. Maybe more. And I'm proud of it too.

Now I'm supporting conservative Fred over liberal Rooty and I'm proud of that too.

78 posted on 10/21/2007 2:18:35 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: LexBaird

Forgot one thing.

Anyone defending Rooty Toot, is fair game for attack. That includes your precious goldstategop.


79 posted on 10/21/2007 2:21:32 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Mrs. Don-o

Should have put that last line in quotes.


80 posted on 10/21/2007 2:26:35 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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