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Ron Paul: Take abortion out of the federal courts
Baltimore Sun ^ | October 19, 2007

Posted on 10/19/2007 12:23:35 PM PDT by uxbridge

Ron Paul, the feisty physician from Texas who has twice served in Congress and amassed a loyal following in his campaign for the Republican Party’s presidential nomination, has gained widespread recognition as his party’s only anti Iraq-war candidate.

But Paul’s essential social conservatism may have been overlooked in his Libertarian view of government. Paul wants to abolish the federal income tax – that’s part of his governmental philosophy. But Paul also wants to ban abortion, proposing to overturn the landmark Roe versus Wade court ruling by legally removing jurisdiction over the issue from the federal courts.

“That should be our goal… to repeal Roe versus Wade,’’ Paul told an assembly of religious right voters in Washington today. “There is a couple ways that can be done…

“We can wait until we have our Supreme Court justices appointed... That’s taking a long time,’’ Paul said. “My approach is a little bit more direct… accepting the principle that we can as a legislative body and the president… remove the jurisdiction of this issue from the federal courts.’’

Paul told the Values Voter Summit today that he is “very pleased with the reception we are getting from young people… We have found that a lot of people are coming to join for the message we have been delivering. The message is not complex. It is rather simple… Freedom is much better than bureaucracy and government socialism… Freedom really works.

“I talk a lot about the lesson of life and liberty… It comes from our creator,’’ he said. “The pursuit of happiness means to lead our life as we choose… We should have the incentives to work hard and take care of our family….

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1 posted on 10/19/2007 12:23:36 PM PDT by uxbridge
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To: uxbridge
Paul also wants to ban abortion

Idiot reporter doesn't understand the difference between banning something and returning it to the states.

If Paul were in favor of banning abortion at the federal level he'd be working for a law, constitutional amendment or judicial decision that would make all abortions illegal.

2 posted on 10/19/2007 12:26:19 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
If Paul were in favor of banning abortion at the federal level he'd be working for a law, constitutional amendment or judicial decision that would make all abortions illegal.

Instead, Ron Paul votes against making the harming of a fetus a crime and banning taking minors across State lines for an abortion a crime.

While I'm sure that personally, Paul is opposed to abortion, it seems what is more important to Paul is his little symbolic State's rights votes versus actually saving lives.

3 posted on 10/19/2007 12:28:30 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: uxbridge
Ron Paul's votes demonstrate that he is not a serious pro-lifer.

Even so - it really isn't a matter for the states.

The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees all persons the equal protection of the laws.

A pro-lifer - by definition - recognizes the unborn child as a person.

The states do not get to pick and choose who is or who is not a person or which persons get and which persons do not get rights.

4 posted on 10/19/2007 12:32:56 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: mnehrling
While I'm sure that personally, Paul is opposed to abortion, it seems what is more important to Paul is his little symbolic State's rights votes versus actually saving lives.

You really minimize the importance of the sacred oath every congressman takes to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. "Little symbolic State's rights" is the fundamental characteristic of our Constitution and our form of government. You're not suggesting he should ignore his oath if he believes that he has no Constitutional authority to pass those laws, are you?

5 posted on 10/19/2007 12:33:00 PM PDT by uxbridge
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To: mnehrling

it could lead to some states banning abortion. The other choice would be no ban at the federal level. It’s a strategic position that just happens to have “state’s rights” in there.

The big question is if we had the votes for a federal ban...would he still leave it to the states?


6 posted on 10/19/2007 12:37:06 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: uxbridge

vs baby rights?


7 posted on 10/19/2007 12:38:21 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: uxbridge
The problem here is that it is Paul’s symbolism over State’s rights versus, say, his decision to defend the 14th Amendment of the Constitution... In other words, he is choosing his translation of one part of the Constitution over another piece of the Constitution.. I think it would be much better to choose to defend the piece that protects life.
8 posted on 10/19/2007 12:40:04 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: uxbridge; mnehrling
You really minimize the importance of the sacred oath every congressman takes to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. "Little symbolic State's rights" is the fundamental characteristic of our Constitution and our form of government. You're not suggesting he should ignore his oath if he believes that he has no Constitutional authority to pass those laws, are you?

Such drama.

The Republican Platform advocates a Constitutional Amendment.

He's running for the Republican nomination.

Obviously he can change the platform, but taking a pro life stand on this issue is a no brainer for a Republican.

9 posted on 10/19/2007 12:41:07 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: mnehrling

“Paul is his little symbolic State’s rights votes versus actually saving lives.”

So between less government and more, you choose more if it fits your socio-political agenda.

That’s what you get when Conservatism is defined by social issues. A big fat, overreaching government whose liberal constituency is fractured into SoCons and SPs. Both love a bloated governemnt that they can wield against any who don’t adhere to their ideologies.


10 posted on 10/19/2007 12:42:51 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: wideawake
"it really isn't a matter for the states.

The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees all persons the equal protection of the laws."

"The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees there is no need for the states." -- There, all fixed.

11 posted on 10/19/2007 12:44:59 PM PDT by live+let_live
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To: wideawake
The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees all persons the equal protection of the laws.

Then why haven't the courts overturned Roe?

12 posted on 10/19/2007 12:45:04 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: live+let_live
"The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees there is no need for the states." -- There, all fixed.

I suppose you take comfort in twisting others' words, since you have no thoughts of youer own to add.

13 posted on 10/19/2007 12:47:18 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: L98Fiero

We have a lot of “Trust em, I’m from the Government, and I’m here to help” folks posting lately. They have been drinking the koolaid for years and now can’t give it up, so they lash out at everyone else.


14 posted on 10/19/2007 12:47:25 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: L98Fiero
So between less government and more, you choose more if it fits your socio-political agenda.

No, I choose to honor the 14th amendment versus reading into the 10th amendment that abortion is somehow a 'State's Right' issue. I also laugh that most of the time, the final part of the 10th Amendment is ignored ...or to the people. So even ignoring the 14th amendment, why are the people's Representatives (Congress) left out of this argument.

15 posted on 10/19/2007 12:49:21 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: L98Fiero
Both love a bloated governemnt that they can wield against any who don’t adhere to their ideologies.

If a governemnt has any purpose at all, it is to uphold the right to life of the people it governs.

16 posted on 10/19/2007 12:49:56 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Puddleglum
Then why haven't the courts overturned Roe?

The moral cowardice engendered by the iron hand of precedent.

17 posted on 10/19/2007 12:51:41 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: mnehrling

Abortion is murder. Murder is a state crime. As much as I want to save babies, you don’t do that by federalizing crime. Federalizing things is what liberals do.

Kind of funny to see hysterical FReepers on here trying to paint a lifelong pro-life ob/gyn who’s delivered over 4,000 babies as a pro-abort.


18 posted on 10/19/2007 12:54:38 PM PDT by VirginiaConstitutionalist (Socialized medicine kills.)
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To: L98Fiero

Why is it “more government” to include the unborn under the protections of the existing 5th and 14th amendment?


19 posted on 10/19/2007 12:54:59 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: wideawake
Ron Paul has the only idea to immediately end all abortions nationwide and you ridicule him.

It's painfully obvious that you haven't actually read the Constitution at all.

Pathetic.

L

20 posted on 10/19/2007 12:58:36 PM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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