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Gun bill supported by Va. Tech families hits snag in Senate
wdbj7.com ^ | October 16, 2007 | NA

Posted on 10/17/2007 3:51:48 PM PDT by neverdem

Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A gun-control bill that advocates say could have prevented the April killings of 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus has hit a roadblock in the Senate.

The measure would provide money to states to ensure that they properly update the national database of those prohibited to purchase weapons. It has support from both handgun control groups and the National Rifle Association but Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York says his colleague Republican Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, has derailed any hopes of quick passage.

Under federal law, people with criminal records and those who have been judged mentally defective are generally barred from purchasing weapons, and their names are placed in a database.

Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech before committing suicide, had been deemed mentally defective and should have been in the database. But Virginia authorities never added Cho's name. He bought two guns in the weeks before the killings.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2ndamendment; backgroundcheck; banglist; mentalillness; rkba; secondamendment; vatech; virginiatech
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You know Schumer wants this so bad he can almost taste it.
1 posted on 10/17/2007 3:51:56 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
“You know Schumer wants this so bad”

NRA, too. I have received many pieces of mail “explaining” the bill. The NRA website has lots of explanations why they’re on board with Schumer.

2 posted on 10/17/2007 3:59:37 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: neverdem

Odd that the article does not say what the holdup is, or what the objections are.


3 posted on 10/17/2007 4:00:46 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
The objection is that the bill SUCKS!!! it is a gun rights grab pure and simple.
4 posted on 10/17/2007 4:02:53 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Do you want to be right or successful!)
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To: neverdem
Feel sorry for the families, but they (and, unfortunately, my NRA) are DEAD WRONG in pushing ANYTHING little chuckie schumer is for.

Like 9/11, the ONE thing that would likely have prevented the tragedy, is law-abiding citizens (and/or pilots in the case of 9/11) on the scene with concealed carry.

5 posted on 10/17/2007 4:06:01 PM PDT by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: neverdem

The NRA helped author the GCA 1968. They’re always there to ‘compromise’. Sort of like a true RINO.


6 posted on 10/17/2007 4:10:51 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: DBrow
Odd that the article does not say what the holdup is, or what the objections are.

IIRC, the rules of the Senate allow individual Senators to place "holds" on any bill. Maybe it's just a failure to get unamimous consent?

7 posted on 10/17/2007 4:12:26 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
Yes, having Chuckie in favor of something makes it immediately suspect in my mind, but on the other hand, what would have been wrong with having the VT gunman's mental records in the system? Yes, he probably would have found a way to get a weapon anyway, but I was under the impression that most of my Second Amendment friends don't have a problem keeping weapons out of the hands of criminals and the insane.

If there's a flaw in this bill, perhaps someone will point it out, but on the surface of what I've read, I don't have a problem with it at this point...

8 posted on 10/17/2007 4:25:38 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: neverdem
could have prevented the April killings of 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus

Quick. Close the barn door. The horse got away.

9 posted on 10/17/2007 4:30:56 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: Old 300

***The NRA helped author the GCA 1968. They’re always there to ‘compromise’. Sort of like a true RINO.***

Actually the 1968 GCA was Thomas Dodd’s baby, based on the 1938 Nazi weapons act.

The NRA prevented a registration/confiscation bill by modifying the 1968 GCA to it’s less dangerous form of total registration of all guns. There were less than one million people in the organization then and they did NOT have a lobbying wing.

What we got, the 1968 GCA was much less severe than what Kennedy and Dodd wanted and the ONLY reason it passed is that Congress voted to give money to each police department for “crime control”. Sort of like when Clinton got the assault weapons ban by bribing the congressmen with pork for 100,000 police on the streets. $$$$Money talks$$$$

Without the NRA we would not have any firearms at all except single shots and they would have to be kept at a police station.

If you were alive at that time you would know just how the news media managed to create a wave of hysteria after the shooting of Bobby Kenney. It was an avalanche even the NRA could not stop, they did manage to divert it into a less offensive, but still onerous, bill.


10 posted on 10/17/2007 4:31:14 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Was Thomas Dodd the father of Christopher Dodd?
11 posted on 10/17/2007 4:36:11 PM PDT by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: samm1148

It’s daddy.


12 posted on 10/17/2007 4:41:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: samm1148
Yes. Interesting article in the Waterbury, CT newspaper about him.
13 posted on 10/17/2007 4:45:22 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: DBrow
These guys should be equally concerned about colleges, universities, factories and office buildings being brought into line with modern building standards that require main entry doors to be of a design that cannot be disabled with a mere chain.

Because the first responders were delayed 9 minutes when they attempted to enter Norris Hall, the killer had ample opportunity to kill or wound dozens of people.

14 posted on 10/17/2007 4:50:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: neverdem

The only problem is that pretty much any medical doctor or counselor could declare pretty much anyone to be a “mental defective” and there is no real legal recourse.


15 posted on 10/17/2007 4:57:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: DBrow

See my reply above.


16 posted on 10/17/2007 4:58:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: samm1148

***Was Thomas Dodd the father of Christopher Dodd?***

Yes he was. It was Thomas J. Dodd and Emanual Cellar who claimed in 1962 that “We don’t want to take your guns away. We only want to register handguns. Long guns will not be included.”

Quite a difference from today isn’t it.


17 posted on 10/17/2007 5:06:54 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: neverdem

Yep. The only gun law that would have prevented the VA tech massacre is a concealed carry for qualified students and faculty. Mental health evaluations give the left a perfect tool to use on law-abiding gun-owners.


18 posted on 10/17/2007 5:14:35 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I think we knew it was coming: The whole idea of gun control is as absurd as man made global warming. Only a crazy person can be influenced by inanimate objects.

But it makes for a nice dodge when a particular political party is advocating for the criminal class. Look over here at this fantasy problem while we do nothing about criminal behavior.

19 posted on 10/17/2007 5:24:46 PM PDT by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Without the NRA we would not have any firearms at all except single shots and they would have to be kept at a police station.

That might be, unless you think that the second amendment defends all others, including itself.

Actually the 1968 GCA was Thomas Dodd’s baby, based on the 1938 Nazi weapons act.

From keepandbeararms.com:


NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934

In fact, they've supported gun rights infringements "since...1871."

by Angel Shamaya
Founder/Executive Director
KeepAndBearArms.com

March 29, 2002

"The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

—NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22


20 posted on 10/17/2007 5:25:22 PM PDT by Old 300
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