Posted on 10/17/2007 11:41:36 AM PDT by SJackson
James Joyner | Tuesday, October 16, 2007 |
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http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/10/ron_paul_supported_by_racist_western_men_/
Who supports Ron Pauls bid for the presidency? White supremacists and men from the West Coast, apparently.
Thomas Edsall reports,
Through no fault of his own, Rep. Ron Pauls anti-globalist, anti-government campaign for the Republican presidential nomination has become a magnet in neo-Nazi networks, pulling in activists and supporters from the fringe white nationalist community where anti-Semitism, anti-black and anti-immigrant views are commonplace.
In some cases, these internet-based activists acknowledge that even though the Paul campaign does not have a racist or anti-Semitic agenda, it can serve as a vehicle to find sympathizers and to recruit new loyalists drawn to the Republican congressmans opposition to international trade agreements, federal police authority and to the income tax.
Such web-based organizations as Stormfront (motto: White Pride, World Wide), Vanguard News Network (No Jews. Just Right.) and the Nationalist Coalition (working to create the relationships that will lay the foundation for the White community that is necessary to our survival) have become sources of support for Pauls bid for the Republican nomination, and in some cases have set up separate Ron Paul discussion groups.
As Edsalls wording constantly emphasizes, this is essentially happenstance. Its natural, to be sure, that white supremacists, which see the federal government as their chief nemesis, would support the most anti-federal government candidate. The only odd thing here is that anti-immigrant groups would support Paul, since stopping immigration, illegal or otherwise, could only be accomplished through the exercise of federal power.
Still, as Jeff Commaroto points out, this is the down side of a decentralized Web strategy. That might seem like a great idea at first but when messages are not vetted by an official source, it is only a matter of time before some people rise up and exploit them. Josh Levy agrees, seeing this as an inevitable outgrowth of giving control of your message to your supporters.
Meanwhile, Patrick Ruffini has done some analysis of Ron Pauls donors using information provided by Pauls online effort and finds that they are overwhelmingly (83 percent) male and come predominantly from the West and Northeast.
This really is a Western movement, with some of the Northeast thrown in. Basically, these are the places where you would expect libertarians to be strong. But I dont think Ive ever seen a data set this good about the state-by-state strength of libertarianism. And the data gets more reliable every day .
The Paul movement is weakest in the Deep South and the Ohio River Valley. Ohio (and surprisingly New York) are Pauls weakest big states.
The differences are also fairly dramatic. One is 4 times more likely to be a Ron Paul donor in Nevada than in Mississippi. And more than twice as likely in blue Washington state than in blue New York. Alaska and Hawaii, which are not on the map, would also be colored the darkest shade of red.
Im not sure what to make of that but its interesting. Essentially, Pauls support is strongest in states that tend not to vote Republican. Does that mean that a theoretical nominee Paul would win in a landslide (after all, one doesnt expect the South to vote for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama if Paul is the alternative)? Or are the numbers just too small to matter?
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http://www.electiongeek.com/blog/2007/10/16/ron-paul-the-white-supremacist-recruiters/
October 16th, 2007
An interesting story from Thomas B. Edsall at the Huffington Post which claims neo-nazi groups are flocking to the Paul campaign as a recruitment tool.
Through no fault of his own, Rep. Ron Pauls anti-globalist, anti-government campaign for the Republican presidential nomination has become a magnet in neo-Nazi networks, pulling in activists and supporters from the fringe white nationalist community where anti-Semitism, anti-black and anti-immigrant views are commonplace.
In some cases, these internet-based activists acknowledge that even though the Paul campaign does not have a racist or anti-Semitic agenda, it can serve as a vehicle to find sympathizers and to recruit new loyalists drawn to the Republican congressmans opposition to international trade agreements, federal police authority and to the income tax.
Such web-based organizations as Stormfront (motto: White Pride, World Wide), Vanguard News Network (No Jews. Just Right.) and the Nationalist Coalition (working to create the relationships that will lay the foundation for the White community that is necessary to our survival) have become sources of support for Pauls bid for the Republican nomination, and in some cases have set up separate Ron Paul discussion groups.
It makes sense with Pauls anti-government, anti-IRS, anti-trade messages. Though the campaign doesnt seem happy with the support.
The Paul campaign dismissed the pro-Paul activities among these groups. We dont know who these people are, said Jesse Benton, Pauls communications director. Their support has nothing to do with Ron Paul, and what he stands for .His message of freedom, peace and prosperity - thats why people support him.
The problem is, it seems like the campaign has been more than happy to welcome outsiders to spread its message online. That might seem like a great idea at first but when messages are not vetted by an official source, it is only a matter of time before some people rise up and exploit them.
I have been skeptical that there is any real support for Paul beside a small contingent of libertarians who are going around fixing online polls and sending in a couple of bucks to the campaign. Now I guess this is evidence that the campaign is growing.
Below is a white supremacist ad for Paul from the group Stormfront.
An no, Im not saying Paul is a racist. A political opportunist who will take support from wherever he can get it, you be, his campaign admits that. IMO there are not areas the Republican Party should be associated with.
The Paul campaign dismissed the pro-Paul activities among these groups. We dont know who these people are, said Jesse Benton, Pauls communications director. Their support has nothing to do with Ron Paul, and what he stands for .His message of freedom, peace and prosperity - thats why people support him.
Not exactly what Reagan had to say under similar circumstances, he clearly rejected the ideology of the KKK, but better than nothing. The idea that racists support Paul over a message freedom, peace and prosperity is laughable. His articles do appear in their publications. But as his campaign stated regarding an indicted drug dealer, we take support where we can get it.
Mr. Nathaniel J. FriedmanAugust 23, 1980
Dear Mr. Friedman:
Just a line to thank you very much for your letter to the editor of the Los Angeles Times. It was kind and generous of you to do this, and I am most grateful.
It wasnt until I left the South and was in New York that I learned the Klan had endorsed me. I immediately made it plain in a press conference that I do not want such an endorsement and that I repudiate it and everything the Klan stands for. I guess Mr. Young didnt pay much attention to that.
Again, my heartfelt thanks.
Best regards,
Ron
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April 30, 1984
Dear Morris:
While in China, I have been distressed to learn that some individuals back home have questioned whether my views on the Ku Klux Klan have somehow changed since 1980. Nothing could be further from the truth.
In 1980, I said that I have no tolerance for what the Klan represents, and would have nothing to do with any groups of that type. If anything, my feelings on this subject have only grown stronger. The politics of racial hatred and religious bigotry practiced by the Klan and others have no place in this country, and are destructive of the values for which America has always stood. Those of us in public life can only resent the use of our names by those who seek political recognition for the repugnant doctrines of hate they espouse.
I firmly believe that there is no room for partisanship on this question. Democrats and Republicans alike must be resolute in disassociating ourselves from any group or individual whose political philosophy consists only of racial or religious intolerance, whose arguments are supported only by intimidation or threats of violence.
We must, and will, continue our unified rejection of such elements of hate in our political life, for while there are many issues which divide us, it is fundamental principles such as this which will always draw us together.
Sincerely,
Ronald Reagan
[The Honorable Morris B. Abram, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, 1121 Vermont Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20425]
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Marc Emery agrees his campaign-organizing effort for some 2008 U.S. presidential candidates is a bit unorthodox. He's Canadian, his political base of operations is the B.C. Marijuana Party in Vancouver, and he can be arrested if he sets foot into America.
Still, "We have a saying up here: 'American politics is far too important to leave to the Americans,'" says Emery, 49, who is trying to raise cross-border support for dark-horse White House candidates. He likes liberal Democrat Dennis Kucinich well enough, but prefers Republican Ron Paul, a longtime libertarian who, like Emery, opposes the U.S. war on drugs.
Paul's communications director, Jesse Benton, says the fledgling campaign welcomes all support. But Emery shouldn't necessarily expect amnesty from a Paul administration. "You would see a cooling of the federal war on drugs [under Paul]," Benton says. "But Ron believes in the rule of law, and I don't think this guy should look to Ron for him getting off scot-free."
Interesting. Once I came across a neo-Nazi on another forum who was a fan of Ron Paul. But I doubt those are the people whose vote Ron Paul is trying to court.
And all this time, I thought they were just kook Kool-Aid drinkers. Still think that way.
“Once I came across a neo-Nazi on another forum who was a fan of Ron Paul.”
They strike me as isolationist types.
“Racist Western Men”?
Ku Klux Kowboys?
Must be a “Any port is a storm(front)” sorta thing...
‘Kluckers for Kooks’ sings...ala Provo’s Privy.
It was on an atheist forum. Yes, I fancied myself an atheist at one point. But what I found on those forums were either (1) extreme Left-leaning socialist types, or (2) white supremecists (who often agreed with the extreme Left-socialist types). And then the worst guy said he admired Ron Paul.
Needless to say, I began to rethink my positions... ;-)
White Racists once regarded Muslims as “Mud People”. But since the Iraq War, the racists have sympathy for them. They blame Neo-con Jews for 9-11 and Iraq.
It just keeps getting wackier and wackier with this guy.
I thought paul got most of his support from the anti-war left and a few libertarian crackpots, as seen here on FR.
www.outlawjournalism.com
Ku Klux Kowboys?
Brokeback Zugspitze?
I will support any candidate that will actually do something about illegal immigration.
The Iraq war has been a disaster from the beginning. We went to war based on “deliberately false intelligence on WMD”(quote Colin Powell on Tim Russerts show).
Our labor force can compete with the third world.
Unless you want to keep supporting Bush’s one world order dream vote Constitution/American Independent party.
Before the resident Paulophobes start cheering, realize that this hemorrhoid Edsall will probably start similar “guilt by association” research against FR tomorrow.
It is common knowledge that the donations were a mixture of military and civilian contractors.
You Paultards keep trying though.
Yes because Civilian Contractors who make their living through the War would send donations to the guy who wants to end their source of $$$. That makes sense.
But please supply souces and if documentable I will retract. FReegards...
Rudy’s got his pro homo, pro abortion, anti-gun skeletons to deal with, Mitt’s got pretty much the same, Ron’s problems aren’t even skeletons yet, hell, more seem to be born each day.
I agree that the MSM will do their best to undermine every GOP candidate who generates any interest.
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