[shrinkermd]

As a sidelight, the word psychology first came into general usuage (if my memory is right) in the middle of the 16th century. One of the first things that happened was the changing of the meaning of "soul." Up to that time, among the general public, it mean what we now call self or the "I" part of ourselves. At least that is how I remember it.

I know many will disagree with Goldberg's reasoning but it his hard to disagree with his final conclusion.

[Cicero]

Very, very fuzzy thinking in this article.

He doesn’t know what “life” is? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know the difference between alive and dead.

Good grief. If his only reason for supporting the right to life is that it’s “unfashionable,” then I really wonder about his mental health. I like to go against the trend, too, but not if the trend is right, only if it’s fashionably wrong.

Maybe there’s something inside of him that says, “Jonah, those are little, tiny, helpless human beings that are being killed!” But he just doesn’t quite understand it.

[Rockitz]

I think it’s a great argument to have in one’s arsenal as a defender of the unborn.

[Alberta's Child]

His analysis is rather weak (there is a far better pro-life case to be made on purely scientific/rational grounds), but at least he’s being honest here.

[Falcon4.0]

"Well, if consciousness defines the issue, then life surely does not begin at conception."

I guess this means that plants are not alive?!

[Berlin_Freeper]

"Well, if consciousness defines the issue, then life surely does not begin at conception. Not even the most adamant pro-lifer claims otherwise."

Well then allow me to make the claim.

What about "the fetal position"?

Obviously when one is at the most vulnerable and insure, the act of seeking security in the fetal position proves beyond all doubt that life begins at conception.

Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you very much.

[Sans-Culotte]

I think it is a great article. Many here are lambasting it because Goldberg is not as sure of his beliefs as some here are. However, he provides a good example of how a person who is not sure about when life begins could still be pro-life, or at least anti-choice.

He is probably simply in the early stages of a belief that will one day grow more powerful. He also provided an explanation as to why it is normal to switch from pro-chice to pro-life, but abnormal to switch the other way (as the 'rats do).

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Why be pro-life?

Who wrote this? Some South Central gang-banger?

"Man, I be representin' pro-life 'cause, you know...I'm just keepin' it real for the little homies in the womb."

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Why be pro-life?

Who wrote this? Some South Central gang-banger?

"Man, I be representin' pro-life 'cause, you know...I'm just keepin' it real for the little homies in the womb."

[Lorianne]

To err on the side of caution is a good pro-Life argument. It is moral but not religious.

[Lorianne]

To err on the side of caution is a good pro-Life argument. It is moral but not religious.

[MEGoody]

Why be pro-life?

Because I don't believe in killing innocent, helpless human beings.

[elephantlips]

One day I got a really nice piece of wood and I thought, “I’ll build a large bookcase.” As I went along cutting the wood, I changed my mind and I said. “I’ll change this to a nice wooden chest for my bedroom.” As I was cutting the wood it came to mind that what my mother could really use is a jewelry box and so I fashioned her a lovely box for her bureau. In the beginning, the wood had no direction or endpoint, that changed along the way, as it turned out, several times. A human child is conceived to be a human child from the moment of conception, it can never be anything else. As to whether it’s alive, that’s just common sense. If it grows, it’s alive. If a plant growing in my yard is unknown at the time but turns out to be a carrot, that’s what it was from the beginning. A human is a human from the moment of conception. If you destroy it, you destroy a human life, period!

[MosesKnows]

I don't really know what "life" means

Perhaps you should concentrate on defining what legal death is. In that fashion, legal life would be the opposite.

Is legal death the lack of breathing?
Is legal death the absence of a heartbeat?
Is legal death the absence of brain activity?
Perhaps it is all of the above.

Whatever legal death is in your state legal life would be the opposite.

[cpforlife.org]

I've always liked Jonah. He's a good guy. But his opening line is unnacceptable because he avoids the scientific facts that life absolutly begins at conception.

When does life begin?
We have ABSOLUTE Irrefutable truth, Scientific proof

* In 1981, a US Senate committee held hearings on when human life begins. Speaking on behalf of the scientific community was a group of internationally known geneticists and biologists who had the same story to tell, namely, that human life begins at conception - and they told their story with a profound absence of opposing testimony.

Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard medical School, gave confirming testimony, supported by references from over 20 embryology and other medical textbooks that human life begins at conception.

* "The Father of Modern Genetics" Dr. Jerome Lejeune told the lawmakers: "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence. Human life begins at conception "

* Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception."

Dr. McCarthy de Mere, medical doctor and law professor, University of Tennessee, testified: "The exact moment of the beginning of personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception."

* Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the "Father of In Vitro Fertilization" notes, "Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind." And on the Supreme Court ruling Roe v. Wade, "To deny a truth [about when life begins] should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion."

* Professor Eugene Diamond on the Supreme Court ruling Roe v. Wade: "...either the justices were fed a backwoods biology or they were pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty."

14 weeks

At 15 weeks, this non-viable disposable blob of tissue is sucking it’s thumb

16 weeks

18 weeks

20 weeks from conception

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

[ex-snook]

"I don't really know what "life" means. "

Then shutup already.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government.” ~~~ Thomas Jefferson

[the invisib1e hand]

Why be pro-life?

umm...because the alternative is...