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Last night, the House Foreign Affairs Committee passed a measure to approve calling the killings in Turkey during WWI genocide. The vote was 27-21, which seems to be right down party lines since there are 27 Dems and 21 Rep on the committee.

Turkey has said that consequences of the House voting and approving the measure "won't be pleasant".

According to Sec. Gates, approximately 70% of all cargo that goes into Iraq goes through Turkey.

So if the house decides to approve this measure calling the killings genocide and Turkey decides to kick the US out of their country, which is what they did to France, wouldn't this cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

1 posted on 10/15/2007 5:06:43 PM PDT by cool2007
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Yaşar Büyükanıt

wow, that's some name.

2 posted on 10/15/2007 5:07:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (arrogance is unlovely in any color.)
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Allies don’t deny the passage of troops into a war zone, like the Turkish Parliament did in 2003. Turkey likes our money, but that’s about all.


3 posted on 10/15/2007 5:09:02 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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Turks must be stupid. This action is being taken by the people who DON’T benefit from Turkey’s cooperation, and are merely doing it to indirectly harm those who do (Bush, US military, etc.). In reality, the best way for Turks to stick a finger in the eye of those pushing this resolution is to somehow find a way to cooperate even MORE fully with the US military.


4 posted on 10/15/2007 5:12:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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There’s really only one morally valid question here: Did the Turks commit genocide against the Armenians during WWI? Yes or no?

If they did, then we are morally obligated to say so (if nothing else,) regardless of the consequences.


5 posted on 10/15/2007 5:12:45 PM PDT by sourcery (Referring a "social conservative" to the Ninth Amendment is like showing the Cross to Dracula.)
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wouldn't this cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

wouldn't this is a deliberate, with malice aforesight, move meant to cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

6 posted on 10/15/2007 5:12:58 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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The Turkish Parliament should issue a resolution condemning US cutoff of funds to its ally in South Vietnam and the resulting murder of hundreds of thousands. They should mention Ted Kennedy’s willingness to feed Vietnamese children to the sharks in the South China Sea.


7 posted on 10/15/2007 5:13:13 PM PDT by cookcounty (Murtha, World's Dumbest Marine Officer, --He can't find Okinawa on a map..)
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So if the house decides to approve this measure calling the killings genocide and Turkey decides to kick the US out of their country, which is what they did to France, wouldn't this cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

That's the whole idea.

9 posted on 10/15/2007 5:16:45 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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It's not like the Armenian Genocide was *not* a genocide. But its also ancient history and was conducted by a previous government, the Ottoman Empire, not the current republican government, set up by and kept kept from "pollution" by the IslamoWackos by the Turkish army, originally under Ataturk. (From whence comes the expression "young turks". They overthrew the old corrupt government.) Might as well blame the current American friendly leaders of Japan and Germany for killing all those Jews and Chinese. (In fact that would be a little more appropriate, since fewer generations have passed since the events in question)

Yep we have been shot, but I'm not sure the impact was on our foot though, and we didn't do it. DemonRat politicians did it.

13 posted on 10/15/2007 5:19:23 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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I would not say that the US shot itself in the foot. More like Nancy Pelosi shot us in the foot.

I guess she’s trying to make a case for more gun control.


17 posted on 10/15/2007 5:22:13 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Of course, the Turks said this the last time Congress passed a resolution like this. They'll huff and they'll puff and they'll stamp their feet, and then they'll get over it; like they did last time. Of course, it would all go away if they would admit that what the Ottomans did was genocide.

(Not that the Democrats actually care about the Armenians; they don't. And therein lies the irony. One of the excuses the Turks have offered for the Ottomans' behavior during WWI was that the Russians were attempting to stir up Armenian separatists. From what I've read, the Russians were probably doing just that. But, like the Democrats, they really didn't care what happened to the Armenian people. When things got messy, the Russians were nowhere to be found. And where to you think the Democrats will be when their mess hits the fan?)

18 posted on 10/15/2007 5:22:18 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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The question is why did the Democrats deem it necessary to do this now? Obviously the only answer is to damage relations with Turkey and damage the war effort in Iraq.


19 posted on 10/15/2007 5:22:22 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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The US shot itself in the foot

Ahh, no, Pelosi and Reid shot the US in the foot, and it's too bad the Turks don't get it. But then, Bush should have put the traitor Rats in their place (Leavenworth) when he had control of congress.

21 posted on 10/15/2007 5:23:07 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (The hyphen American with the loudest whine gets the grease.)
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HEADLINE: Turkey’s Top General: "The US Congress Shot Itself America in the Foot B@lls"

There. I fixed it...

22 posted on 10/15/2007 5:24:00 PM PDT by Gritty (America wants the Iraq War stopped and elected the Democratic Party for this purpose-Osama Bin Laden)
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So if the house decides to approve this measure calling the killings genocide and Turkey decides to kick the US out of their country, which is what they did to France, wouldn't this cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

Did anyone REALLY think the Democrats were concerned with nearly 100 year-old murders by the Turks? Only the truly spacey would think so...

Trying to hold up the budget for the war didn't work. The PR attack on the war didn't work - so the next step is to sabotage it by cutting off avenues to support the war on the ground (supply lines).

If anyone doubts the level of hatred the traitorous Left has for the US, they are blind.

25 posted on 10/15/2007 5:25:31 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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It could force early withdrawal and bring about the genocide the Democrats so desperately hunger for.

Has anyone reminded them they are like a nest of vampires?

27 posted on 10/15/2007 5:27:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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This is a back door attempt by the Marxists Dimocrats to defund the war effort. They pass this, Turkey shuts down their air space for the Iraq effort, etc., then the Dims get what they wanted without actually taking away the funds for the effort themselves.
31 posted on 10/15/2007 5:31:11 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Marxists Dimocrats & Bush are destroying America. America is dying slowly, but surely.)
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This is a back door attempt by the Marxists Dimocrats to defund the war effort. They pass this, Turkey shuts down their air space for the Iraq effort, etc., then the Dims get what they wanted without actually taking away the funds for the effort themselves.
33 posted on 10/15/2007 5:31:37 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Marxists Dimocrats & Bush are destroying America. America is dying slowly, but surely.)
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We should have proclaimed independent Kurdistan in May of 2003.

Reward your friends, punish your enemies. That's the way of the world.

As soon as Turkey denied passage to the 4th ID, they lost all right to complain. All this touchy-feely stuff is a bunch of crap.

34 posted on 10/15/2007 5:31:52 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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Already done, repeatedly: 66th Congress
2nd Session

S. RES. 359. [Senate Resolution 359]

In the Senate of the United States.

May 11, 1920

...

May 11 (calendar day, May 13), 1920.

Considered and agreed to.

Resolution

Whereas the testimony adduced at the hearings conducted by the subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations have clearly established the truth of the reported massacres and other atrocities from which the Armenian people have suffered; and

Whereas the people of the United States are deeply impressed by the deplorable conditions of insecurity, starvation, and misery now prevalent in Armenia; and Whereas the independence of the Republic of Armenia has been duly recognized by the supreme council of the peace conference and by the Government of the United States of America: Therefore be it

Resolved, That a sincere congratulations of the Senate of the United States are hereby extended to the people of Armenia on the recognition of the independence of the Republic of Armenia, without prejudice respecting the territorial boundaries involved; and be it further

Resolved, That the Senate of the United States hereby expresses the hope that stable government, proper protection of individual liberties and rights, and the full realization of nationalistic aspirations may soon be attained by the Armenian people; and be it further

Resolved, That in order to afford necessary protection for the lives and property of citizens of the United States at the port of Batum and along the line of the railroad leading to Baku, the President is hereby requested, if not incompatible with the public interest, to cause a United States warship and a force of marines to be dispatched to such port with instructions to such marines to disembark and to protect American lives and property.

May 11 (calendar day, May 13), 1920. — Considered and agreed to.

35 posted on 10/15/2007 5:31:54 PM PDT by cookcounty (Murtha, World's Dumbest Marine Officer, --He can't find Okinawa on a map..)
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Pelosi is agitating against the US in Iraq again, since her headchoppers are being killed left and right.
42 posted on 10/15/2007 5:36:45 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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