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Hillary Clinton vs. Rudy Giuliani - A pro-life dilemma
Warren Throckmorton ^ | Warren Throckmorton

Posted on 10/14/2007 4:21:04 PM PDT by cpforlife.org

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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks. I’ve always loved and admired Ronald Reagan.
41 posted on 10/14/2007 5:29:04 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
The years since the passage of Roe have included 20 years of Republican presidents who were all supposedly going to be the answer to Roe.

Roe is still there so why should I think that any Republican will bring it down?

42 posted on 10/14/2007 5:29:56 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: cpforlife.org

43 posted on 10/14/2007 5:31:08 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Either of these two power hungry liberal whores would lie, steal, cheat and sell their souls to take the White House.

I live in New York State and it is run by power hungry whores. Republican and Democrat. They are all corrupt and everyone else in the USA should not vote for any politician from New York State. They are all bought and paid for by New York City cronies. I hope the rest of the country does not vote for the New York City liberals, Rudy or Hillary.

44 posted on 10/14/2007 5:31:38 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: billmor

“If a candidate can’t respect the life of a little baby, how is he supposed to respect ours?” Fr. Frank Pavone,


45 posted on 10/14/2007 5:32:51 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

It’s not what I’m looking for.

I’m looking for a total rejection of the evil that has overtaken both political parties. And there is precedence. I believe the Republican party itself was the product of such circumstances. When the culture of evil, death and slavery completely dominates both of our major political parties, then they both must be soundly rejected and defeated. If there are any good men remaining in either party, they must denounce the evil. We need a new birth of freedom in America. It must come from within.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”


46 posted on 10/14/2007 5:33:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: South40

47 posted on 10/14/2007 5:35:06 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Jim Robinson
“form a new pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Liberty, pro-America conservative party and offer us a real choice between evil socialism and righteous freedom.”

A noble but dangerous idea. Right now it looks like it will most likely be Hillary v. Giuliani in 2008 and, if so, the Conservative movement in the United States risks tearing itself apart.

We can be reasonably certain that Democrats will vote as a solid block. We can also be reasonably certain that a large percentage of independents and even ‘moderate’ republicans will vote against whoever the Repubs nominate, simply as a repudiation of the Bush administration. It’s looking more and more certain that whoever the Dems nominate will take the White House.

If we conservatives are going to hope to remain in a position where we will have any chance of stopping the liberal agenda, it’s going to require us to act as a group, not tear ourselves apart over our candidate.

I’m not saying that people should vote against their conscience, however, if the issue of abortion does cause the right-wing to split into two parties, one of them occupying the far-right and the other the center-right, the almost certain outcome is both parties being whoppingly defeated by the single left-of-center party.

If the schism were to get severe enough, the Democrats could be looking at a solid eight years of dominating both the executive and the legislative. Imagine how entrenched they could become in that time?

Don’t vote Giuliani if abortion is a make-or-break issue for you. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that making a moral stand on this issue will definitely result in positive change for the conservative movement.

48 posted on 10/14/2007 5:36:44 PM PDT by 49th (this space for rent)
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To: CaptainK
"The years since the passage of Roe have included 20 years of Republican presidents who were all supposedly going to be the answer to Roe. Roe is still there so why should I think that any Republican will bring it down?"

Good observation. Roe is something like a political cicada that is shaken out of the trees every 4 years as 'boob bait for the bubbas'.

49 posted on 10/14/2007 5:37:47 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Perdogg

What will destroy the country is Rudy destroying the Republican party. If Giuliani is nominated the party will become a permanent minority. Before the rise of the Evangelical right, which majors on the social issues, the Republicans were a Congressional minority for 40 years. Without their votes we would be talking about Presidents Gore and Kerry. So before you pull the lever for Giuliani remember it is the Giuliani supporters that will bring defeat to the Republican party for a long, long time. Giuliani is the only Republican candidate that would signal a retreat from long held conservative principles with regard to the social issues and the second amendment.


50 posted on 10/14/2007 5:40:19 PM PDT by gscc
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To: gscc
"If Giuliani is nominated the party will become a permanent minority. "

Right. Don't cut and run from life.

51 posted on 10/14/2007 5:42:54 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Jim Robinson

” Either of these two power hungry liberal whores would lie, steal, cheat and sell their souls to take the White House.”

Rudy and Hillary are the most power hungry candidates I have ever seen, and yes they are evil!


52 posted on 10/14/2007 5:55:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: okie01; don-o; Graybeard58; Jim Robinson
Giuliani already has quite a record of receiving verbal bouquets from the National Abortion Rights Action League (now called "NARAL Pro-Choice America") for appointing liberal judges when he was Mayor of NY. As anyone can see. When he says he'd appoint "strict constructionists," I think we can safely assume he's lying.

Why? For FReepers sake, he's a pro-abortion New York liberal. He doesn't have a problem with killing. Why would have have a problem with lying?

53 posted on 10/14/2007 6:00:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The three biggest lies - for those gullible enough to believe them:
54 posted on 10/14/2007 6:05:03 PM PDT by gscc
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To: cpforlife.org

If Giuliani picks a pro-life running mate, that gives him the edge. Of course, are there any left? Maybe Tommy Thompson. Or perhaps Engler. Maybe Santorum. Possibly Cornyn, although you don’t want to lure him away from the Senate.


55 posted on 10/14/2007 6:05:38 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

No way. The abortionist Giuliani must be soundly rejected or the Republican party is dead. Period.


56 posted on 10/14/2007 6:10:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: cpforlife.org

Thanks for the remarks. Reagan wasn’t perfect, but he followed his head and it lead him in some great directions over all. I believe he changed his stance on issues as he learned or thought more about them. He had fortitude, and real character. He was worthy of respect.

You take care.


57 posted on 10/14/2007 6:14:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: Jim Robinson

How else can we destroy the party. First Bush and the last Republican Congress helped define the party as the party of big spenders. That should alienate the fiscal conservatives. Next we nominate an anti-gun, abortionist, gay rights, cross dresser to alienate the social conservatives. In the future, to finish to destruction of the party we have to nominate someone that is anti-military - any thoughts?


58 posted on 10/14/2007 6:16:11 PM PDT by gscc
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To: gscc

Yeah. No more.


59 posted on 10/14/2007 6:17:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: cpforlife.org
Momma, I Wanna Live http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UGd7cxIygiQ
60 posted on 10/14/2007 6:24:53 PM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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