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“form a new pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Liberty, pro-America conservative party and offer us a real choice between evil socialism and righteous freedom.”

A noble but dangerous idea. Right now it looks like it will most likely be Hillary v. Giuliani in 2008 and, if so, the Conservative movement in the United States risks tearing itself apart.

We can be reasonably certain that Democrats will vote as a solid block. We can also be reasonably certain that a large percentage of independents and even ‘moderate’ republicans will vote against whoever the Repubs nominate, simply as a repudiation of the Bush administration. It’s looking more and more certain that whoever the Dems nominate will take the White House.

If we conservatives are going to hope to remain in a position where we will have any chance of stopping the liberal agenda, it’s going to require us to act as a group, not tear ourselves apart over our candidate.

I’m not saying that people should vote against their conscience, however, if the issue of abortion does cause the right-wing to split into two parties, one of them occupying the far-right and the other the center-right, the almost certain outcome is both parties being whoppingly defeated by the single left-of-center party.

If the schism were to get severe enough, the Democrats could be looking at a solid eight years of dominating both the executive and the legislative. Imagine how entrenched they could become in that time?

Don’t vote Giuliani if abortion is a make-or-break issue for you. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that making a moral stand on this issue will definitely result in positive change for the conservative movement.

If you expect Conservatives to band together with liberal Republicans to elect Rudy, I don’t think you’ve been payin’ attention.

And, attempts to reduce this to a “make or break issue” only about abortion fails the reality test—just look at all the other issues with which Rudy stands on the Democrat side of the aisle.

And you are telling others “Don’t fool yourself”?

ROFLMBO!

A noble but dangerous idea. Right now it looks like it will most likely be Hillary v. Giuliani in 2008 and, if so, the Conservative movement in the United States risks tearing itself apart.

Conservatives won't tear themselves apart. On the contrary they are as sure about their principles, as evident by conservative comments on FR, as they socialists are about theirs. The difference is socialists, such as Giuliani, have to deceive the masses to further their agenda while conservatives aren't afraid to say what they believe. Anyone who considers voting for Giuliani is not a conservative.

It's a very big assumption to assert they will be the Presidential candidates considering conventions for both parties are several months away.

We can be reasonably certain that Democrats will vote as a solid block.

Based on what hard evidence? You have apparently not been listening to reports outside the socialist media of many socialists not being pleased with Hitlery's veiled attempt to play the centrist, specifically regarding the war in Iraq. The reason being the socialist media doesn't want you to hear this fact.

We can also be reasonably certain that a large percentage of independents and even ‘moderate’ republicans will vote against whoever the Repubs nominate, simply as a repudiation of the Bush administration. It’s looking more and more certain that whoever the Dems nominate will take the White House.

This is all mere conjecture absent any facts. Everyone assumed right up to election day Dewey would defeat Truman but nobody told a majority of the voters.

If we conservatives are going to hope to remain in a position where we will have any chance of stopping the liberal agenda, it’s going to require us to act as a group, not tear ourselves apart over our candidate.

You are assuming everyone in the GOP is Conservative. Socialism has crept into the GOP incrementally over many years to the detriment of conservatism. Many such as George Bush, Rudy Giuliani, Arlen Specter and John McCain just to name a few have latched onto socialism in order to appease the socialist Democrats under the misguided notion of compromise. Ironically the socialist Democrats have never compromised their beliefs. Consequently the GOP has sacrificed its conservative ideals. It is the appeasers in GOP who are tearing the party apart.

I’m not saying that people should vote against their conscience, however, if the issue of abortion does cause the right-wing to split into two parties, one of them occupying the far-right and the other the center-right, the almost certain outcome is both parties being whoppingly defeated by the single left-of-center party.

This is center, left of center, right of center is a bunch of politically correct garbage. The center are those socialists attempting to disguise themselves as Conservatives in order to deceive Conservatives of their true socialist ideals.

:If the schism were to get severe enough, the Democrats could be looking at a solid eight years of dominating both the executive and the legislative. Imagine how entrenched they could become in that time?

Then it is imperative for the GOP leadership change its course by spending much more time appeasing the Conservatives by supporting conservative principles instead of appeasing the Socialist Democrats.

Don’t vote Giuliani if abortion is a make-or-break issue for you. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that making a moral stand on this issue will definitely result in positive change for the conservative movement.

The Republican party has been fooling itself for many years thinking appealing to the masses by supporting some socialism will eventually result in more conservatism. The Conservatives have been honest, forthright and consistent in their principles. The same can't be said for the rest of the GOP. It is reprehensible the Republican party spends more time castigating Conservatives that used to be the base of the Republican party instead of castigating the socialist Democrats.

"Right now it looks like it will most likely be Hillary v. Giuliani in 2008 and, if so, the Conservative movement in the United States risks tearing itself apart."

No, the Conservative movement may actually desert the GOP and tear it apart. So be it, rather than compromise for another Democrat like Rudy Giuliani with a (R) after his name.