Posted on 10/14/2007 1:29:17 PM PDT by reasonisfaith
Something about Ron Paul doesn’t smell right. Despite the fact that he appears to advocate core conservative values such as upholding the constitution and limiting government power, instinct tells me not to touch Ron Paul with a ten foot pole. Conservatives understand this. He’s just too kooky. I think it comes down to two possibilities: either Ron Paul is very foolish or he is very evil.
It’s true that on a certain level, tending to our own political and economic affairs here in the U.S. is where we should focus most of our resources. But the cauldrons of tyranny and terror are ever-present in far reaches of the world. When these wicked brews begin to boil over and spill their hateful contents onto our land, that’s the point where we must take action to extinguish the fire at its source. We did so in Japan and Germany sixty-odd years ago, and we are now doing it in Iraq.
Ron Paul’s behavior is consistent with two possibilities. The first possibility allows for the notion that Paul is an honest man with true libertarian beliefs who just doesn’t understand the reality of geopolitics, thus he is basically a kook hopelessly unfit for the oval office. The second possibility is less likely but nonetheless fun for the imagination: Ron Paul is part of a conspiracy, planned for decades, that covertly seeks something sinister—either a Hillary presidency (by means of dividing the conservative vote) or the downfall of the United States.
If a foreign power was presuming to dictate that the American Military could not overfly certain regions of our own country, wouldn't you...if you had the means...attack those foreign power war planes?
i certainly hope that you would.
If you saw the pictures of gassed Kurds and intelligence indicated those weapons might still exist and be in the hands of the madman that perpetrated this upon fellow human beings; Would you say, "well we weren't attacked, let's wait for the attack"?
Not our problem, not our responsibility.
Let the Saudis do their own dirty work. They happen to live there.
As for the threat to this country? What threat was that? Sadaam's arsenal consisted of a few cannisters of Sarin left over from pre-1998, that had deteriorated to virtual uselessness.
Keeping in mind, thousands of your fellow Americans have just been killed by terrorists would you be at all concerned that WMD's might be in the hands of a madman?
Iraq was no threat at all to the United States, and Sadaam had no involvement in the 9/11 attacks. That is not disputed by any party, including the present administration.
Bearing in mind also this madman lost a war and agreed to inspections and then behaved in such a way as to lead any reasonable person to believe he had something to hide.
A billionaire, with complete and absolute power would risk all that for no reason?
For one billion dollars, Sadaam would have been happy to leave Iraq. How many billions have we spent on a non-productive occupation? (forget the 'war', that went as well as could be expected, and the troops did an excellent job).
Tell me more of logic and fallacy.
Ok, you've done a much better job than the poster of this nonsense. At least, you've attempted to justify the a-priori premise of the argument, whereas he did not.
Bravo!
What you have just articulated is precisely Ron Paul's policy. The guy is on the house finance committee (may have the committee wrong, it may be banking), he already knows that an immediate shift would cause chaos, and has said so. His actual policy is one of a gradual phase out of the federal reserve, (which is neither 'federal' nor a reserve) through competition.
The man, in spite of his critics, is not a fool.
and your opinion is posted as news, why ? - ....neds a vanity tag mr. self important
I’m glad to know he wouldn’t just yank out the plug and let the chips fall where they may concerning the FR. Unfortunately, it sounds like he would definitely yank out the plug on most of our foreign policy. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like a little gentle twisting and pulling on that plug: I don’t see why we give away the money we do, and I don’t see why the U.N. is allowed on our shores. But I’m just not for evacuating the Middle East, leaving it half undone, leaving Israel twisting in the wind, and letting the chips fall into hands that are almost nuclear.
The “Rock-fellars”, sorta like the trilateral coalition, the bilderbergs. The argument always revolves around demagoguery. You do not even realize that all levels of entrepreneurship and disruptive technology in this country are because of the flow of capital and of the transparency of risk. The argument is exactly like the fringe leftists that want to stifle the United States.
He's not a conservative?
So you're saying that my list above doesn't constitute the Republican Party?
Ron Paul has stated a million times that he is not going to run as a 3rd party candidate. Go to his interview with Tucker Carlson on MSNBC, 4:41 minutes into the interview, or go to his interview with PBS Julie Woodruff, he flatly said no. So unless Hillary Cankles is running as a Republican, just how in the Hell can Ron Paul throw the election to her?
CUE SPOOKY MUSIC!
Buy gold and ammunition.
You should be thankful Dr. Paul is running. Like it or not, libertarians and pro-America populists make up a large percentage of the GOP. We've been kicked to the curb for far too long by authoritarian types, me-too liberal Republican types, and big-government socon religious types. You got folks who never voted or participated in politics before lining up and registering as Republicans just because Paul is in the race. If Paul wasn't running, these folks would stay home and you FReepers would be pointing fingers and whining about "those losertarians" voting 3rd party instead of your RINO.
So be nice to Paul. We need him and his voters to defeat Hillary, because Rudy, Romney, McCain, or possibly even Thompson can't attract these guys on their own.
Italy declared war on us with Germany.
I'll be content to let you wait until the end of the year, when gold hits $1500 for your answer.
lol, well i admit it did go over my head due to both its subtlety and realistic imitation. :)
*******Here’s a question for you: what if the supposed scam of the Federal Reserve “robber barons” had never been put in place? In what way would we have benefited? Could our nation possibly have been more advantageous to the poor and middle class than it has been to date? Is it not somewhat questionable to propose that the United States is the greatest example of freedom and prosperity that has ever existed, yet somehow it is run by a system of “robber barons” who have been keeping us down for the past century or so?******
Since the trace of a gold standard (Nixon closing the gold window), the top 1% of the people in the country have increased their share of the total wealth from 35% to at least 45%. (probably 50% now as the 45% is an old number.)
It is probably worse as the way of calculating the CPI was changed during the Clinton administration. Because of that change some people believe that the increase in the CPI has been understated by about a 1/3. But even if it was only understated by 15%, that would still mean that the middle class and lower have suffered a significant drop in their standard of living. With SS and a lot of other entitlements linked to the CPI, there is a big incentive for the federal government to understate the CPI.
Inflation hits the lower classes much harder. Especially as wages do not increase fast enough to overcome inflation.
Look at Post #43 and track back for just one example. Looks like the burden of proof is on you.
Also, you're a newbie here. You really should learn some manners.
Japan might not have become a militant military power in Asia if it was not for the embarrassment that we caused them when we forced them to open up their country for trade. At the time of the opening of trade, Japan’s weaponry was primitive. Immediately after the opening for trade, they began to build a military with modern weapons.
Also, Japan might not have attacked us if FDR hadn’t kept provoking them.
Winning WW II eliminated the threats from Germany and Japan, but gave us the new threats from Communism which led to Korea and Nam. Not to mention the 50-70 million killed by Stalin and Mao.
Russia certainly has enough ICBM’s to wipe us out. China has the bomb and the technology, but we don’t know how many ICBM’s, but it has some.
The issue is saving the Republic. The men who set us up and took us into the new monetary system literally stole the Republic from us. Look around you. Everywhere you see: controlled media, multinational corporate dominance of public policy, inflation-spurred poverty, and a political class completely beholden to the elites. Take a few moments to ponder the lack of representation you feel in your heart. You know that government no longer answers to the people. Why is that? Why are our cultural and spiritual values no longer represented by our leaders? Why do our leaders seem to cast their eyes away at the last minute when duty calls them to enforce the law? Why does petitioning them again and again seem to have no effect? Why are 'conservative' politicians liberal patsies in the final analysis?
The answer is in the monetary coup of 1913. These private bankers, now with multinational investors in their ranks, own our economy. They have our congressional leaders at their beck and call because private banks are earning interest on our national debt. Private banks earning interest! Why do we need to print money and then pay for it?
All roads of corruption lead back to the Federal Reserve. The inflation of the last 100 years is enough to tell us that we must discontinue the devaluation of our currency. The policy controls exerted behind the scenes by the Fed's cartel bankers is also a very real threat to liberty. These changes coupled by the hidden hand of tax-exempt foundations manipulating our policies and educational systems (think "Ford foundation") spell disaster for our Republic. The immigration issue. NAFTA/CAFTA and the SPP. Rampant medical care and fuel cost inflation. Educational cost inflation. It's all related to the central bankers' control over our system. What they decide becomes our de facto laws. They answer to no one. They shape market forces with government policies, instead of truly competing!
We simply cannot continue to allow these forces to control our economy, our educational institutions, and our public policies. This is no longer a "free Republic." It's an oligarchy. Tyranny has replaced representation and we must not remain silent about it any longer. Thomas Jefferson warned us that we must never turn over our currency to private bankers. He was absolutely right. Ron Paul has been telling anyone who would listen about this problem for the past 30 years. Reagan admitted to him on a helicopter flight that inflationary practices destroyed great nations. We are being destroyed by inflation, and we can stop it if we act in time.
Ludwig von Mises is a libertarian icon. The von Mises institute Conservative? Nah. Let's just say your deception makes the silly case that Paul is evil just a smidgen more believable. The same with all you Paul nutcases repeatedly claiming he's a conservative. If anyone begins thinking he's evil, it's not because of Paul but because the way you religiously push the issue.
What's this 'we' business? You back Paul? You're not a conservative, you're a libertarian. What, you can't/won't admit that on a conservative forum? That's deception. Come on, Bucko, admit what you are, who you are, and your intentions. Honesty is good for the soul.
JimRob has made it clear his thinking on RonPaul. I'm sure you're aware of his statements. Thus, it's you who are the odd man here. Conservatives, the Patriots who believe the WOT is being won and worth seeing through, will NEVER back a nutjob libertarian like Ron Paul. NEVER. So take your message to DU, KOs, HuffyPuffy, or the Osama Obama, Shrillery or Johnny E campaigns where the loony left will be far more receptive.
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