CALNRA: Governor Signs MICROSTAMPING *AND* LEAD AMMO BAN

California NRA Members Council ^ | 10/13/2007 | Mike Haas

[jrp]

http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2007&summary=ab1471

http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2007&summary=ab821

[Myrddin]

The goal is to follow Britain and get rid of our firearms. Eventually, they will do it unless the people stand up and fight back. Yes, I mean fight back with the threat of using our firearms.

That's why we have a 2nd amendment. My collection includes appropriate calibers for standard military ammo. It's my hobby and entertainment. It's also my responsibility. I make sure the local kids have an opportunity to be trained to safely handle firearms and have an opportunity to put a few rounds downrange. Informed and experienced citizens are less likely to listen to the BS spewed by the gun grabbing leftists.

[Califreak]

Maybe I can talk hubby into buying reload supplies. I probably won’t have to yank on his arm too hard...

: )

[Califreak]

I suggest anyone who lives in Kalieforneia-stan to go to the shooting range and gather up as much brass as you can once the micro-stamped brass becomes common.
“Then randomly toss micro-stamped brass around as you drive through your day.

Throw a little bit of chaos into the mixture and see how long it takes before a “Fine Upstanding Member of the Community” ends up getting harassed for having his brass show up at the scene of a shooting.

It’s us against them people, fight smart and FIGHT DIRTY!”

While I can truly understand the sentiment behind that theory, to actually put it into practice would be deplorable. I would not wish the resulting harassment on my worst enemy.

[norton]

OK, so what happens to those 'unsafe handguns' legally obtained before 2010 and what happens to transfer of such evil devices.

I think I know the answer to number two.

[meyer]

The goal is to follow Britain and get rid of our firearms. Eventually, they will do it unless the people stand up and fight back. Yes, I mean fight back with the threat of using our firearms.

Unfortunately, it'll take more than a "threat", I fear.

[B4Ranch]

I expect at least 75% to comply.

[Still Thinking]

Too true.

[Travis McGee]

I think that’s a reasonable assumption, that TPTB will make civilian-legal ammo with a max shelf life. It would be easy to do, we already do it with our new land mines.

Of course, that means mere civilians won’t be allowed to buy milsurp, due to its generations long shelf life.

More reason to BLOAT. Ammo might seem expensive today compared to years past, but it might simply be unavailable at any price in years to come.

[Travis McGee]

141: Amen cubed.

[Truth29]

You have a lot more faith in the US Supreme Court than I do. I can see them upholding the 2nd Amendment right for individual ownership through a ruling in the DC case, but I worry about them being clear about imposed “safety” manufacturing requirements being used as a defacto prohibition.

[glock rocks]

BLOAT is always a good idea. Midway is out of primers (?) but funny, their supplier isn't. Prices of ammo are indeed rising as the red chinese suck up the copper and lead (for the toy paint, no doubt :o)

Here's a takedown of the AP I found interesting.

[Nathan Zachary]

"One, will guns sold before the law goes into effect be "grandfathered" in, and
Two, will police officers' guns be covered under this law, and
Three, will gun manufacturers be held liable for damages if this technology fails in any way, including failures that cause injuries or death to the user?

All good questions. I think Gun manufacturers will just say screw Calipornia and not make any handguns to those requirements.
I wonder if that will lead to Calipornia police being the first unarmed police force in the USA.
Pre- 2010 autoloaders will have to be grandfathered. no doubt restrictions on their resale within Calipornia will be attempted.

[El Gato]

Arnold was pretending to be the Terminator. Today he pretends to be someone who follows the US Constitution.

At least he did a pretty good job of the former. But he's doing a P*** poor job of the latter. One almost gets the impression that he isn't trying very hard, nor does he care much.

[El Gato]

Someone from Minnesota said that?

Minnesota has "shall issue" concealed carry. They are big D state, but their "D"s are "different".

For instance:

Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."

-- Hubert H. Humphrey, Senator, Vice President, 22 October 1959

[Current Occupant]

Interesting, I went in to a shop a couple weeks ago and they didn’t have any large pistol primers. He said they were having a hard time getting any primers. WTH????

[BurbankKarl]

Of course resale will be prohibited.

I still have my AR and my letter from the Attorney General stating I was grandfathered in....it is ridiculous.

If I dont leave the state by then, I will by my ammo in Arizona like the gang bangers.

[El Gato]

All of these arms use lead, you cannot fire anything but lead bullets from an old time firearm.

I imagine there are other things you could fire from them. None of which would give the same performance, and all of which would cost more, perhaps a lot more.

But if think the gun grabbers give a hoot about that, or loss of state revenue, you are sadly mistaken. They'll just find something else to tax.

Waterfowl hunters faced a lead ban long ago. Bismuth, steel (that's out of course for you CAS guns), and other materials have been substituted. The higher cost is not that big a deal for waterfowlers, since no one actually expends all that much ammo when hunting... except maybe dove hunters. :) But guys shooting paper, steel or even pitch ("clay" targets), put lots and lots of rounds downrange, to the point where the cost of ammo is a significant portion of their total costs. But again, the gun grabbers don't care about "legitimate sporting purposes", no matter how much they bleat about it when trying to pull the wool over the sheeple's eyes.

[ElkGroveDan]

If you are going to offer quotes from 1959 I can give you some of the greatest American conservatives that ever lived — from California.

[Joe 6-pack]

Wow....even King George never dreamt of making the colonists stamp their balls.

[El Gato]

Fortunately the lead ban only applies to big game and coyote hunting with rifles or handguns. It doesn’t *yet* apply to target shooting. So your cowboy guns are as safe as any guns in California... however safe that might or might not be.

Of course they'll extend it soon to hunting squirrels, rabbits, and other small animals, when it's discovered that the Condor, and other carrion birds, eat even more of those.

Even now, the technical challenge to this is pretty high, since they can't do like the waterfowl hunters and use steel, that would be an "armor piercing" round, as would most any metal much harder than lead. Bismuth with a plastic coating? Lead free ceramics? Deplete Uranium with a lighter metal core or cladding? Of course it has to be soft enough on the outside to "grab" the rifling, and not so hard as to cause excessive wear on it. Big challenge.

Anyone have any information on what is being proposed for big game and coyote hunting in CA? Of course the people who enacted the ban don't worry about little things like that.