Dr. James Dobson Caught Between a rock and the other Rock

CrossActionNews ^ | 10-11-07 | Rev Michael Bresciani

[Victory111]

In a surprising move Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family announced in an op-ed in the New York Times that he and some 50 colleagues met and discussed what position they would take in the upcoming Presidential race.

According to a report on Fox news October 9, 2007 Dobson said “If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life, we will join others in voting for a minor party candidate. Those agreeing with the proposition were invited to stand, and the result was almost unanimous.”

[Kevmo]

I know full well Jim Robinson’s sentiments, so do not use him as an enabler for your arguments.
***You’re out of luck on that one. You might find it easier on yourself (if you really do know full well his sentiments) to take heed of them. And I’m not really all that interested in knowing why you would want me not to use him as an enabler of my arguments, so I won’t bother asking.

As I said before my wife refused to do abortions and I backed her even though it meant eventually losing her staff position.
***Excellent. Glad to hear it.

You’ve obviously not ever read a book on salesmanship or how to win friends and influence knot heads.
***Wrong.

Hargar The Horrible said “Friends come and go but a good enemy will last a life time”.
***I don’t take my wisdom and advice from comic strips.

You spout a lot of words wanting, like Dobson to control those who do not share you fanatical jihadists views.
***Baloney. You can’t possibly know what I want, you can’t even tell me if I like my neighbor across the street.

Jim Jones wanted control to the point of having his followers commit suicide.
***Interesting straw argument. You should learn some classical rhetorical techniques, Napoleon Hill.

Dobson wants control or he will not vote knowing full well he is selling out Gods chosen country.
***You are so far off base that it’s easy to see your bias. Your hatred of christians is showing.

Where did I say anyone wanted you out of FR.
***You didn’t say out of FR, you said out of the party. Post #65.

You made the threat and I took you up and simply asked you not to be immature as a small minded juvenile.
***Where and when. This is the first time I’ve seen the word immature and juvenile. You’re delusional and you’re inventing stuff that doesn’t exist. Argue the facts, not the exaggerated position of your opponent.

I also asked you not to turn out the lights on those wanting to stay and fight for America.
***Nope. It was, and I quote, “On the way out of the party please do not turn out the lights”. You’re the one making threats around here, Mr. Victor Mature.

I want you to stay because if you leave then the rest of the clear thinking patriots would not have a group of hard headed knot heads with which to argue.
***I’m happy to oblige. But you might want to clarify. Is that stay in FR, stay in the party, or stay in America? You’re wandering all over the map.

It’s clear that anything I say or do will not change your self righteous opinion of what you really want to do to America to show your machismo.
***Interesting perspective. What would anyone “want to do to America” to show their machismo? You’re going off the deep end here. Be careful not to jump the shark.

One thing for sure is that if Hellary and the Clinton machine do get elected your going to need a lot of Preparation H to relieve the pain of having your ego molested big time and quite often.
***Wow, real mature. And also it doesn’t make sense, but said with such passion, it’s obvious that, well, you don’t like what I’ve been saying. I’ve kinda gathered that.

This whole thread about Dobson reminds me of the song by Ray Stevens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_067ahbXfg about a Mississippi Squirrel turned loose in the First Self righteous Church of Pascagoula Mississippi.
***Never heard of it, and right now I’m on a low bandwidth connection, so I’ll pass on the youtube frivolity. If you dislike devout people of faith so much, what are you doing here on FR? I dislike BeerHaters of America, but I don’t go to their website to rag on their cultural icons. What a jerk.

BTW you said 50 leaders were there, yet I don’t know that I have ever voted for any of them much less know their names.
***That’s what the article said, 50 leaders. DId you read the article? Why would you argue from ignorance, “yet I don’t know that”, it’s an amazing classic fallacy. It PROVES you don’t know what you’re talking about. Why should anyone in this forum listen to you?

Could it be the same narrow minded ones who try to tell me what a conservative is and how to vote?
***Um, you are on a conservative website where JimRob pretty much spells out what conservative means to him — probably because so many RINOs and charlatans commandeer the title. You claim to “know full well Jim Robinson’s sentiments”, yet here you are arguing against those sentiments and pretending like you don’t know what conservative is. Go out, spend a little bit of money, and purchase a clue.

[pollywog]

If Dr. Dobson were allowed to use the full weight of his organization a grass roots movement might be able to significantly raise the chances of a republican party candidate who fits the bill: Duncan Hunter.

sounds good to me~~~

[ArmyTeach]

I see. And I might even sympathize. But when you have la clintonesse as president, a Dimocrat Congress, a clinton-appointed judiciary and a Fairness Doctrine-controlled media, just how much voice do you think you’ll have? I don’t think it will extend much beyond the Sunday pulpits.

[Kevmo]

The religious zealots want to shut down anyone who differs with their thoughts like those at MoveOn that do not speak their scripted words. Repeat after me, you can in good conscious vote Republican because your helping save Gods chosen country.
***NONSENSE, nonsense, nonsense. You have no sense of conscience, so there is no reason for any of us to listen to you about following your twisted view of conscience in God’s blessed country.

I like how Cogamer had to say it, so I’m stealing it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1909436/posts?page=158#152

some people on this board are PUSHING it. They not only expect us to grin and tolerate it, they expect us to help!! They see conservatives being marginalized, and then bash conservatives for not supporting the politicians who are marginalizing them. It’s insane!

Let’s look at this through the prism of other movements: Would pro-choice women vote for a politician who announced he wanted to make abortion illegal? Would black voters ever support a politician who wanted to bring back segregation? Would muslims ever support a candidate who was on the record as saying islam was evil?

Would their friends even TRY to tell them they HAD to vote for these candidates even if they didn’t want to?

No! But conservatives are expected to vote for anyone who has an R after their name, no matter how dangerous to the movement, just to avoid the ire of a bunch of wishy-washy phonies whose only brush with conservatism is the fact that they post to this website.

They need to understand - if they nominate Rudy, THEY are responsible for what follows. THEY know many will refuse to support him. So, turning their flawed logic on its head : If they support Rudy, they must actually want Hillary to win. Indeed - if Hillary changed parties they’d be telling us we had to support HER to stop OBAMA!!!!

152 posted on 10/10/2007 6:28:13 PM PDT by COgamer
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[OKIEDOC]

Kevmo wrote:
Go out, spend a little bit of money, and purchase a clue.

Comment:

Well just so I could flip your itty bitty switch I did buy a clue.

It says your threatening tone and banding about names tells me you may be a few bricks shy of a full load.

The clue also tells me that your either not a Republican or a very good conservative except in your own little warped world.

Somehow you remind me of those guys who lose it on the interstate because someone isn’t driving according to your wishes, it’s called road rage, only yours is more of the keyboard type.

Had you taken the time to go through some of my posts you would have read where I support both Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson.

However, if your any true indication of the kind of supporters that my former neighbor Duncan Hunter has backing him I will send my future donations to Fred Thompson.

Dobson made a horrible mistake putting his foot in his mouth and backing himself into a corner.

You can defend him all you want thats your choice to make.

[Kevmo]

Your clue didn't work very well. You'll need to go purchase another one.

Had you taken the time to go through some of my posts
***Is that your requirement for all Freepers who respond to your posts? Because if it is, you know, you might want to state that up front. On a thread like this, with multiple parallel similar threads, there could be a hundred Freepers one responds to, so we accept their posts at face value. If you are so gosh-darn important that I should know to look through your posting history, maybe it's something you could put in your tagline.

Oh, and, learn third grade punctuation. Your writing is painful to wade through.

You Scored an A

You got 10/10 questions correct.

It's pretty obvious that you don't make basic grammatical errors.
If anything, you're annoyed when people make simple mistakes on their blogs.
As far as people with bad grammar go, you know they're only human.
And it's humanity and its current condition that truly disturb you sometimes.

The It's Its There Their They're Quiz

[supercat]

Nothing could be more “realistic” than the reality of abortion.

Nonetheless, attempting to stop it all at once is apt to be futile. Any attempt to impose a no-exceptions federal ban on abortion without a constitutional amendment will get struck down by the courts; any proposed constitutional amendment to authorize such a ban wouldn't get ratified by even a majority of states, much less 3/4.

Work toward what is achievable. Once the first goal is reached, then work toward the next. We didn't get where we are in a day; we won't get back in a day.

[supercat]

There won’t be another chance.

If there's a Hillary-Giuliani match-up, that would virtually guarantee that the White House would be taken over by a gun grabber in 2009. If Civil War II is going to come in my life time, I'd just as soon have a Democrat get deposed.

[pawdoggie]

Perhaps he's going with the old tactic where it's better to be thought to have influence, than to really try to exert it and discover that you don't. I guess I'm getting pretty cynical about some of these "conservative leaders" we haven't actually chosen for ourselves....

Great comments, thanks! I would only add that IMHO the Dobsons of the world may have bought into the "inevitability" of Hillary myth, and are trying to create a legend that their lack of support for the GOP nominee (whoever he may be) was the "factor" that put Her Heinous over the top.

[OKIEDOC]

Oh, and, learn third grade punctuation. Your writing is painful to wade through.

Comment:

So besides being a self declared know-it-all and a Zealot bordering on Jihad Status your also a HORSES ASS TO BOOT.

I trust you can wade though the above sentence with out help.

[roamer_1]

Great comments, thanks! I would only add that IMHO the Dobsons of the world may have bought into the "inevitability" of Hillary myth, and are trying to create a legend that their lack of support for the GOP nominee (whoever he may be) was the "factor" that put Her Heinous over the top.

What an absurd and unsubstantiated load of crap. Loosen that tinfoil chinstrap and get some blood back to your brain.

[Kevmo]

I guess the third grade punctuation was more than you could grasp. And the personal attack seals the deal — you are not a very good reflection of republicanism nor Free Republic. What do you think it means when it says, “no personal attacks”? Oh, it must not apply to you somehow; you’re above all that.

Stick to making spitwads in the sandbox. Okie Dokie, OKIEDOC?

[pawdoggie]

I would only add that IMHO the Dobsons of the world may have bought into the "inevitability" of Hillary myth, and are trying to create a legend that their lack of support for the GOP nominee (whoever he may be) was the "factor" that put Her Heinous over the top. What an absurd and unsubstantiated load of crap. Loosen that tinfoil chinstrap and get some blood back to your brain.

You do understand the concept of the conditional tense as in "may have bought into..."? Clearly, it's impossible to know or "substantiate" what Dobson is thinking (assuming their is a cognitive process involved). I do, however, endorse "R9eth's" views that the Democrats get a free ride from the Dobsons of the world, that Dobson and his faction grossly overestimate their ability to do anything except (perhaps) to help to elect Democrats, and that Duncan Hunter is like Bob Dole without the Bob's charisma and sense of humor. Actually, "R9eth" didn't say anything about Hunter, but I think I've figured out where you're coming from with your bizarre attempt to lump Fred Thompson in with Giuliani and Romney. And I'm the one with the "tinfoil hat"?

[pawdoggie]

(assuming their is a cognitive process involved).

"their..." should read, "there". My bad.

[roamer_1]

You do understand the concept of the conditional tense as in "may have bought into..."?

That may keep you out of court, but your intent is plain enough. To "speculate" in such a fashion is nothing short of character assassination without a whiff of proof. What is bizarre is the idea behind it- That Christian leaders are conspiratorially plotting insurrection to hide their own insignificance- It would be laughable if it weren't so vapid and ill-intended.

[Brilliant]

OK. So you’re saying it was an idle threat then? I don’t think so.

[xzins]

it's my way or the highway

It's your choice. I'm willing to vote for a compromise candidate.....Thompson, Romney, etc......why aren't you?

Why is your insistence on Rudy any different than my insistence on the sacredness of life?

In fact, I can do no other than support life. If I go against it, then I am an accomplice to murder, I have violated God's command, and I will be punished by God. If I have a choice between God and a politician, it will be God every time.

So, the bottom line is this: those who insist on Rudy are responsible for electing Hillary.

[Running On Empty]

I did/have been working on what is achievable—since 1971.

The courts and a culture that has hit critical mass have brought us where we are today.

All the rhetoric and posturing will not erase the reality—abortion, like war, is hell.