Look Again At The Frost Facts...And Don't Back Down

freeper research, Baltimore Sun, Others ^ | 10-11-07 | icwhatudo

[HundredDollars]

I think debating the accident details is counterproductive, but maybe I’m missing the point. They certainly didn’t have the wreck on purpose and the children were severely injured. The rest is unimportant. It just looks petty to assign blame for the wreck at someone who has suffered such a tragedy, and I'm no bleeding heart. I see no connection to the S-CHIP/leech debate.

Keep focused on the issues of:
1. Their choice not to have health insurance means taxpayers now pay their medical bills.
2. Lifestyle supported by taxpayers.
2. Income/lifestyle not adding up.
4. Misrepresenting themselves as uninsured through work.
5. Details surrounding the private school. How can they afford or why did they get accepted/financial assistance? Back door dealing?
6. Their apparently wealthy families.

Expose them as gov't entitlement abusers and tax cheats if that is indeed what they are. The accident/injuries are only tangentially related to these issues. They put themselves in the public eye. They'd better lube up because here comes the microscope.

If kept in the news, hopefully it will become apparent to more of the common folk that the MSM is not doing their investigative job and is shilling for the dems, while attacking icwhatudo with vitriol.

Don't let them paint us as mean people attacking a tragic family or 12 year old although they'll surely try. The general public is very easily misdirected by the press.

[HundredDollars]

I think debating the accident details is counterproductive, but maybe I’m missing the point. They certainly didn’t have the wreck on purpose and the children were severely injured. The rest is unimportant. It just looks petty to assign blame for the wreck at someone who has suffered such a tragedy, and I'm no bleeding heart. I see no connection to the S-CHIP/leech debate.

Keep focused on the issues of:
1. Their choice not to have health insurance means taxpayers now pay their medical bills.
2. Lifestyle supported by taxpayers.
2. Income/lifestyle not adding up.
4. Misrepresenting themselves as uninsured through work.
5. Details surrounding the private school. How can they afford or why did they get accepted/financial assistance? Back door dealing?
6. Their apparently wealthy families.

Expose them as gov't entitlement abusers and tax cheats if that is indeed what they are. The accident/injuries are only tangentially related to these issues. They put themselves in the public eye. They'd better lube up because here comes the microscope.

If kept in the news, hopefully it will become apparent to more of the common folk that the MSM is not doing their investigative job and is shilling for the dems, while attacking icwhatudo with vitriol.

Don't let them paint us as mean people attacking a tragic family or 12 year old although they'll surely try. The general public is very easily misdirected by the press.

[Diver Dave]

I’m pretty impressed with the original investigation you did and equally so with this follow-up.

Our Lord’s Blessings and protection to you and your family.

[palmer]

I heard that the Grand Parents just happen to `donate' $40,000 to the school, which just `happened' to give a scholarship to the kids.

Heard where? All we have so far is misunderstanding from another thread where it was described that the GPs gave to a daycare center that got named after them. If you have actual information about a donation, please present it. Otherwise you are perpetuating a rumor started at this forum.

[Jabba the Nutt]

I think you are being too generous on the tuition question. The Frosts have not said how much their pay for tuition. Michelle Malkin talked to the Frost's tenant at their commercial property, Reilly of Reilly Designs. He said he understood that the Grandparents pay the kids tuitions. I'd say, what they pay is still open.

Of course, it's the Frost's business what and how they pay, but if you are interested in your privacy, don't put your kid out to front a major party response to the President. You can have one, but not both.

[mountn man]

A decent carpenter with the right shop equipment can build his own kitchen cabinets at 10th or less than the cost of store bought cabinets.

Didn't your mother ever teach you that farting in public is rude?

There might be some savings, if like for like materials were used. But unless the bought cabinets were custom made, the savings really won't be THAT substantial.

If the cabinets were something that can be bought at Lowes or Home Depot, it would be extremely hard, if not outright impossible to drastically undercut those prices.

1-hardware must be bought. The cabinet company buys theirs by the 1,000's or even 10,000's, versus the individual buying them at a couple or few dozen.

2-lumber costs. A cabinet company probably gets their lumber green and seasons and mills it themselves. A small furniture company would probably buy dried lumber, probably rough sawn. Definitely more expensive.

3-machining. A cabinet company is going to be using a lot of computer operated machinery. Wood is fed in one end, cut to size, comes out the other end. Moves to the next station, and similar happens. And so on. A one man operation can have a cnc machine, but still a person is overseeing each and all of the operations.

4-setup. A cabinet company makes pieces for a 1000 cabinets before changing to set up for another, at each different machine. An individual might have 2-3 duplicate machines, set up differently, but they have to be initially set up, and reset when measurements change.

By the time a cabinet is rolled out the door, the actual labor cost per unit is relatively small. The real factor for the company is large numbers. Granted, they have large overhead with buildings, machinery, land, and so on, its divided by the large lots produced.

An individual still has to buy relatively expensive equipment. 1-2 cabinet saws at $2000+, 1-2 bandsaws at $2000+, drumsander, drill press, shaper or routers, air filter, dust collector, and other machines and tools and accessories. It would cost $10,000 just for the hobbyist/small business man to get started for equipment, and that number would easily double or triple for that hobbyist/ small business man to really get serious. And to really gear it for a small business the price would go up. Now divide those numbers by a small volume of products and it becomes obvious, how relatively inexpensive the massed produced cabinetry machinery costs.

No "carpenter" is going to build high quality cabinetry on his Craftsman contractor table saw, or with his Milwaukee Hole Shooter. There are numerous tools for cabinetry or furniture that the average "carpenter" will not have.

[sauropod]

Thank you for what you’re doing.

You should’ve seen the tear jerker in the Blight for All yesterday about this.

[Leisler]

It is not the equipment. Museum quality work can be done,and still is, by non power hand tools. Some people pay extra for it, a lot. I don’t know why.

It is more of a function of labor time. However, if this touchy feely wood hippie is as unsuccessful as he appears, he might well of had the time on his hands.

[Son House]

The date, December 4, 2004, a Saturday: from;

http://www.kennedykrieger.org/kki_touch_article.jsp?pid=4884

On December 4, 2004, the car the children were riding in hit a patch of black ice and spun into a tree.

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The weather shows there was rain on 1 Dec 2004 that ended by 10:54 am, 8:54 am daytime high occurs at 55.9 degrees, 15 hours later, on the 2nd at 2:54 am the temp nears freezing, daytime highs are around 50 degrees throughout the week; that leaves 2 1/2 days of the road drying off before 4 Dec 2004, if everything given here is accurate.

The week’s weather;

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBWI/2004/12/1/WeeklyHistory.html

The rain on the 1st;

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBWI/2004/12/1/DailyHistory.html

The weather on the 4th;

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBWI/2004/12/4/DailyHistory.html

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By 9:54am on the 4th, the temp was above freezing at 39 degrees.

The time of day did the accident occurred is still unknown to me.

[Leisler]

I can not source it for you. I have a feeling, and only that, that I did not get the notion from FR.

It is still a good, um, avenue to investigate.

Isn’t it odd that the GP’s gave to a day care center, enough to get named after themselves and, what, none to their grandkids?

Anyways, another thought about Mr. Wood Hippie. So, he pulls in, supposedly, 25k per year. (No cash work out of the Ye Old Hippie wood shop, right)
So, he buys the building, equipment, he has insurance, heat, light yada, yada, yada and he pays himself 25K. Is that because the bidness made udels, and he plowed the corporate profits back into paying off the building fast? Like maybe a ten year payback? Mean while Snuffy Cab Driver is paying extra taxes to pick up the tab of our Wood Hippie because he is well educated, sophisticated and is using simple shelters to drive his income down?

Nah. Fugehdabouit!

[Christian4Bush]

bump

[Beagle8U]

“The time of day did the accident occurred is still unknown to me.”

I think the article said she was taking the kids to school so my guess would be around 8AM.

[Son House]

December 4th is a Saturday, another good reason to see an accident report, it’s too bad the Democrat Majority Press doesn’t insist on facts before printing ‘black ice’ references.

[Age of Reason]

My brother built his own kitchen cabinets.

I am sure it was really more about the enjoyment of doing so than about the cost savings he used to justify the project.

I think he went overboard in committing so much of his time to the project.

There's a point when one needs be honest with oneself by wondering if we're really doing something to save money--or if we're just using that as an excuse to play hooky from more important responsibilities.

[Son House]

Sure adds to the emotion/sympathy factor; going to school, hitting ‘black ice’.

[mountn man]

I agree with everything you said. My issue with the other poster was he said that a good carpenter could build the cabinets for 1/10 or less of the cost as to buy from a store. My point I was trying to make was that his dramatic savings were unrealistic. To build a cabinet that cost $200 on sale at a store would probably cost over $100 in lumber, hardware. Add stain and finish and sandpaper and whatever else and the price increases.

Obviously the 1/10 cost or less is WAAAY out of whack.

[DuncanWaring]

Thanks for doing the repost.

[Beagle8U]

If it was a Saturday the “on the way to school” part was likely more BS.

[Son House]

Scripted to tug at the heart strings of voters, when if an accident report is not produced, I am starting to think this lady drove off the road on a nice day, for seemingly no reason at all.

[Leisler]

Yup.