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To: Froufrou

She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

If you don’t BELIEVE in Jesus Christ, than you should not be upset at what one of his followers says you need to do, as it is of no consequence.

But if the Bible is correct, and Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for our sins, the message is clear — Accept Jesus Christ.

Only God decides who gets into heaven, don’t get me wrong. And I’m only repeating what I believe God said through his word, and you can certainly ignore that as well.

But it would be absurd, and a moral crime, for a Christian to NOT tell an unbeliever about the need for Christ when asked.

And yes, if we were all true Christians, the world WOULD be a much better place. There would still be sin in the world, but everybody would be striving to do good.

Of course, everybody wouldn’t be Christian. It is destined that many will reject the message.

People sure do get upset though when people who have firm beliefs assert the obvious meaning of those beliefs.


9 posted on 10/11/2007 10:43:47 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"DITTO"
17 posted on 10/11/2007 10:47:55 AM PDT by Right_Rev ("We need to get back to winning arguments by our ideas, not our ability to call people names.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Get some help.


21 posted on 10/11/2007 10:49:03 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: CharlesWayneCT

That was beautifully stated. Thank you.


56 posted on 10/11/2007 11:07:34 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Re: 9

You said it better than I.
She'll catch grief over this, but at least she remembered what is important.

Mark 8:35-38 [Jesus said:]
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Good for Ann for not being ashamed of stating what she believes and for declaring God's Love (Who IS the Way, the Truth, and the Life...).

97 posted on 10/11/2007 11:28:13 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Thank you for your excellent post (#9).

Ann is absolutely right. The world would be much better off if people were wholly devoted followers of Jesus Christ.

We must personally decide whether or not to invite the Lord Jesus Christ into our hearts to redeem us, cleanse us, forgive us, change us into His image, and give us the promise of eternal life.

Acts 4:12 “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

If you haven’t asked Jesus to come and live in your heart, do it today (Romans 10:9-10).


123 posted on 10/11/2007 11:38:31 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: CharlesWayneCT

When the Apostle Paul was asked a similar question he responded with the following: Acts 26:28-29

28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?” 29 Paul replied, “Short time or long—I pray God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains.”

Ann isnt off on this at all. She is a Christian!


139 posted on 10/11/2007 11:45:47 AM PDT by TheGunny (Re-read 1&2 Corinthians)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“...if we were all true Christians, the world WOULD be a much better place.”

My only concern would be who gets to decide out of the umpteen dozen denominations which one is the TRUE Christian Church?


184 posted on 10/11/2007 12:24:14 PM PDT by beelzepug ("One should never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

The claim that Jews can be saved only by accepting Jesus is a Christian doctrine. As a Jew, I obviously don't accept it, but there's nothing wrong with a Christian saying that.

What is wrong, and outrageous, is her claim that America would be better off if all Jews became Christians. That is not a religious belief, it is a secular claim, and one which is not only demonstarbly wrong, but is a slap in the face to all Jewish war veterans and to all the other jews who have done so much for America.

194 posted on 10/11/2007 12:28:24 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

The claim that Jews can be saved only by accepting Jesus is a Christian doctrine. As a Jew, I obviously don't accept it, but there's nothing wrong with a Christian saying that.

What is wrong, and outrageous, is her claim that America would be better off if all Jews became Christians. That is not a religious belief, it is a secular claim, and one which is not only demonstarbly wrong, but is a slap in the face to all Jewish war veterans and to all the other jews who have done so much for America.

195 posted on 10/11/2007 12:28:27 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

The claim that Jews can be saved only by accepting Jesus is a Christian doctrine. As a Jew, I obviously don't accept it, but there's nothing wrong with a Christian saying that.

What is wrong, and outrageous, is her claim that America would be better off if all Jews became Christians. That is not a religious belief, it is a secular claim, and one which is not only demonstarbly wrong, but is a slap in the face to all Jewish war veterans and to all the other jews who have done so much for America.

196 posted on 10/11/2007 12:28:27 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

The claim that Jews can be saved only by accepting Jesus is a Christian doctrine. As a Jew, I obviously don't accept it, but there's nothing wrong with a Christian saying that.

What is wrong, and outrageous, is her claim that America would be better off if all Jews became Christians. That is not a religious belief, it is a secular claim, and one which is not only demonstarbly wrong, but is a slap in the face to all Jewish war veterans and to all the other jews who have done so much for America.

197 posted on 10/11/2007 12:28:27 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

The claim that Jews can be saved only by accepting Jesus is a Christian doctrine. As a Jew, I obviously don't accept it, but there's nothing wrong with a Christian saying that.

What is wrong, and outrageous, is her claim that America would be better off if all Jews became Christians. That is not a religious belief, it is a secular claim, and one which is not only demonstarbly wrong, but is a slap in the face to all Jewish war veterans and to all the other jews who have done so much for America.

198 posted on 10/11/2007 12:28:27 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

The claim that Jews can be saved only by accepting Jesus is a Christian doctrine. As a Jew, I obviously don't accept it, but there's nothing wrong with a Christian saying that.

What is wrong, and outrageous, is her claim that America would be better off if all Jews became Christians. That is not a religious belief, it is a secular claim, and one which is not only demonstarbly wrong, but is a slap in the face to all Jewish war veterans and to all the other jews who have done so much for America.

199 posted on 10/11/2007 12:28:27 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

The claim that Jews can be saved only by accepting Jesus is a Christian doctrine. As a Jew, I obviously don't accept it, but there's nothing wrong with a Christian saying that.

What is wrong, and outrageous, is her claim that America would be better off if all Jews became Christians. That is not a religious belief, it is a secular claim, and one which is not only demonstarbly wrong, but is a slap in the face to all Jewish war veterans and to all the other jews who have done so much for America.

200 posted on 10/11/2007 12:28:27 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Only God decides who gets into heaven, don’t get me wrong.

God provided a way for man to get into heaven, but individuals decide for themselves whether or not they will go to heaven:

3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

and

18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)

God provided a way for man to reconcile with Him and spend eternity with Him. It is up to each person to decide whether or not to take that gift and accept God's way. Each person decides his or her own destiny.

318 posted on 10/11/2007 2:01:41 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: CharlesWayneCT
She’s right. If it upsets you, take it up with Jesus Christ. He said it first.

FYI - JC never spoke the word “Christianity”. But JC did say “render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." He also said, “In my Father's house are many mansions”. He didn’t say, “In my Father's house are many mansions but only for those people who look just like You, think exactly just like You and believe exactly what You believe”. JC never said anything about the US Constitution. I’d be happy to take it up with him. Do you have his personal cell phone number or email address?

If you don’t BELIEVE in Jesus Christ, than you should not be upset at what one of his followers says you need to do, as it is of no consequence.

It does upset me and it is of consequence to me because she (Ann Coulter) infers that one can’t be a good American or a Conservative unless one is a Christian and that the whole world would be a better place if we were all Christians – that there is no place in the world for anyone but Christians. I find it hard to separate this point of view from the radical rants of the Islamic imams. And I don’t like anyone telling me what I “need to do” with respect to my personal or spiritual beliefs. As long as I am breaking no laws or infringing on your rights, then it’s none of your or Ann Coulter’s business what I believe.

Examine the history of medieval Europe and more recently in particular, Northern Ireland; Christians going to war and killing other Christians and some Jews along the way; all in the name of Christianity (or more realistically power and politics cloaked in the name of religion).

And the Western European Christian Crusaders waged war on other Christians (the Eastern Orthodox Church) as well as on Islam.

And what do you mean by BELIEVE? Are you one of those Christians who despise other Christians that don’t belong to your particular denomination? What denomination do you belong to and how do you feel about other Christians like Catholics, Mormons, Pentecostals, Lutherans, and Baptists?

But if the Bible is correct, and Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for our sins, the message is clear — Accept Jesus Christ.

”Accept Jesus Christ or what? Do you advocate a Christian “Jihad” against non-Christians? Do you agree with Ann and advocate forced conversions?

Only God decides who gets into heaven, don’t get me wrong. And I’m only repeating what I believe God said through his word, and you can certainly ignore that as well.

I’m glad you believe that God is in charge and not You and not Ann Coulter. I think that alone makes the world a better place.

But it would be absurd, and a moral crime, for a Christian to NOT tell an unbeliever about the need for Christ when asked.

I have no problem with Christians or anyone else having the freedom to express what they believe or even telling me what they believe whether I ask for their opinion or not. Conversely I have the freedom to listen or not. The First Amendment gives you and all of us the right of free association and to express our views and even a soap box on which to stand. The First Amendment does not however give you or anyone else a guarantee to a captive audience or that your point of view has to be accepted by everyone so get over yourself and realize that your beliefs and point of view are right for you not but necessarily for everyone else

And yes, if we were all true Christians, the world WOULD be a much better place. There would still be sin in the world, but everybody would be striving to do good.

I’m glad you recognize that Christians are not perfect and that “sin” is found among those of the Christian faith. But then I ask you, if sin is found among Christians, why can’t morality and goodness be found in people of other faiths?

Of course, everybody wouldn’t be Christian. It is destined that many will reject the message. People sure do get upset though when people who have firm beliefs assert the obvious meaning of those beliefs.

And now some thoughts on religion by our founding fathers:

”It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it was by the indulgence of one class of the people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that those who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it, on all occasions, their effectual support." (George Washington, letter to the Touro Synagogue 1790)

"We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions ... shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power ... we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society." (John Adams)

351 posted on 10/11/2007 2:57:35 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Amen Brother, I pray daily that Jesus Christ, our Lord, continue to Bless us all! even the Jews...

Ann was moved to her profession of faith by the dunces who insist on damning her and her very effective crusade of Truth!!! You go Ann!


817 posted on 10/15/2007 11:59:57 AM PDT by Turborules
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