Posted on 10/10/2007 10:27:43 AM PDT by madprof98
New York U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton is one of the most loathsome modern American politicians, given her barely disguised support for massive government programs, her grating schoolmarm personality and her aggressive political behavior, yet I'm left hoping that she obliterates any of the front-running Republican candidates and has long-enough coattails to expand Democratic control of the Senate and House of Representatives.
Unless Republican candidate Ron Paul —- the only supporter of liberty in the bunch of GOP ne'er do wells —- somehow propels his impressive Internet campaign into an improbable electoral victory, there is nothing else, but a Clinton victory, that will save the Republican Party and help rebuild the nation's long-suffering freedom movement.
How can an enemy of freedom help freedom?
Well, when you've got a headache, you take an aspirin. When you've got the flu, you take something a little stronger. When you've got cancer, you need chemotherapy, which kills cancer cells but can come perilously close to killing the patient. It's a sad truth, but the Republican Party has the political equivalent of cancer.
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A Guiliani victory--indeed, a victory by any of the top GOP candidates--would cement the party's totalitarian tendencies. Even the party's social conservative wing, its most powerful grass-roots force, is ready to bolt if Giuliani gets the nomination.
Religious Right notables such as Focus on the Family's James Dobson and former presidential candidate Gary Bauer met recently in Salt Lake City to discuss backing a third-party candidate. These folks are no friends of liberty, either. Still, their defection could assure that increasingly likely Clinton victory.
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> Shoot..a Clinton victory would ensure no other political competition whatsoever....any potential “leader” will be subsumed....
I warned everybody when they were expanding the power of the executive to consider how they would feel about that expanse of power with a Hitlery presidency.
Getting a Dim congress did not shock the RINOs to sanity. Why would another Clintoon term? “Chemo” isn’t working.
On the other hand, I don’t know what would turn the GOP back to freedom and fiscal conservatism. I’ve stopped donating to the RNC until it changes its tune about immigration and other wrongheaded stances. I’ve written RINOs till my fingers bleed. I don’t know what else to do... any ideas?
Would this “wake up call” be for the Chilldren?? /sarc
Its far worse than that ...IMHO its not gonna disappear until we demand it does..outside the Capitol waving pitchforks....
Don't kid yourself, there are many totalitarians who would do the same today.
Reminds me of the crap that the fringe right wingers here on FR used to spew about letting the libs take over to spark a second revolution to restore the consitution, which in my opinion is analogous to Imanutjob’s wanting to bring about armaggedon to hasten the return of the 12th imam.
This piece was written before the debate. Before L Ron Paul looked even loonier than the looniest of his ultra-loony-tune supporters. Either that, or the writer is as looney as L Ron and Friends.
I don’t trust anything the Atlanta constipation says.
I suspect that taking the Clinton poision might move some people back to the GOP fold, but that is a heck of a way to get that done.
It is ABSOLUTE idiocy to believe that ANY democrat victory is an avenue to “renew” the GOP. With a dem Congress and president, the SUPREME COURT (and all courts) will be PACKED with liberals who IGNORE the Consitution and will ASSURE that a repulican will NEVER win the White House again..
Redrawn districts assuring dem majority-
Illegals made legal for their votes-
With JUST these two items, the Dems will assure the END of the GOP (and the country).
I hope you are right. To hand over the WH to the Dems at this critical time in our history would be foolhardy and foolish. It would also be disastrous to this nation. Anyone who holds to one-issue at the expense of the USA’s safety and well being, IMHO is just as treasonous as those who give national secrets to the enemy.
I agree. With Hillary plus a heavily Democratic Congress, we will have nationalized healthcare, taxing businesses until they decide to just leave the country, etc, etc. Things that are very hard to undo later on.
The operation was a success but sadly the patient died?
Nutjob or not, this guy does have a valid point.
The best thing that ever happened to this country was Jimah Carter and then Billie Clinton. Without Carter and his abominable presidency, we never would have had the Reagan Revolution, and without Clinton andhis wife’s Hillarycare, we never would have had a Republican Congress.
Unfortunately, those in power got spoiled by it, and the Republican Party in its leadership positions is the resurection of the old Rockefeller Republican Party - globalists, elitists, big government and big spenders.
Please tell me what will get these out of touch morons of recent vintage - the amnesty boys Rove, Bush, Martinez, Mehlman, McCain, et al.,- back in sync with the overwhelmingly conservative people, conservatives, Reagan Democrats, thinking independents? Nothing! They are arrogant and don’t give a damn about you, the nation, or the future - just as long as they get theirs.
Do you think a Lott or Graham, or Martinez, or Snowe and their ilk will change their attitudes on illegal immigration, on strict constructionist judges, on earmarks, or a list of other in-your-face-you-conservatives issues if they are returned to power?
Let the Democrats have free run. Anything they do can be undone in the long term, and it will have the support of a p-o’ed public, just like Reagan.
John / Billybob
The old "you-win-by-losing" strategery, eh? There is no more stupid political philosophy out there. You don't effect change by losing. You don't get to implement an agenda by losing. Politics is about winning, getting as many people elected as you can who come the closest to lining up with your beliefs and principles. It isn't about handing elections to your opponents. Winners get to run things, losers stay on the sidelines and get nothing done.Well said. Hitlery will appoint 35-year-old EuroMarxists to the Supreme Court and the Treason Party Senate will anoint them to rule over us for 50 freaking years. Anyone who likes THAT scenario is drinking some pretty caustic koolaid.
I posted this on another thread. Unfortunately I’m a slow typist, so by the time I got it typed the thread was mostly dead. So here it is again, and i promise I won’t post it again.
Let me start by saying that so far I’m neutral for the 08 election. However I’ve been watching the races shape up, and as an impartial observer, here’s what I think is happening.
I think that the moderate or liberal wing of the GOP is trying to separate the values voters from the party. I also think the reason for this is simply long term pragmatic political strategy. The states that are solidly made up of values voters are the southern states and the western mountain states. (I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of values voters in other states, so this isn’t flame-bait) just that the southern and western states are majority values voters.
With the immigration of retiring baby boomers from the northeast and the west coast to the southern and western states (VA, CO, and to some extent ID, and NC)
The Republicans from the west coast, and north east seem to be more socially moderate/liberal. They mostly seem to care about tax cuts, education, and healthcare. Not God, guns, and gays. Take VA. Jim Webb ran as a conservative democrat, by the time his first term is up there will have been 6 more years worth of socially liberal/fiscal conservatives that have moved into VA. The same goes for the other “border states” that are turning more and more purple as more people move into them from back east or out west.
The bedrock red areas are getting smaller geographically.
If the moderate/liberal wing of the GOP can separate the values voters, they will be in a much better position over the next 15-20 years to re-take the re-aligned southern states, with major gains in the midwest, west coast, and northeast. It’s just my opinion, but it’s my belief that the national leadership of the GOP doesn’t really plan on winning this year anyway, so why not run Rudy? He appeals to the moderate/liberal Republicans, and has the added plus of further alienating the values voters, who the moderates want to purge anyway. I think the GOP is willing to gamble that with moderate/liberal candidates, they can more than make up for the votes they lose if the values voters walk.(I also think, and again it’s just my opinion, that the moderate/liberal Republicans see the values voters as something of an embarrassment, like a nutty aunt living in the attic. The Foley, Vitter, Graig episodes didn’t help).
It’s also my belief that this strategy started a long time ago, and hit critical mass after Karl Rove leveraged the values voters. Both wins were squeakers, and with the red states getting more purple, the alliance isn’t looking to remain viable for much longer. I know someone will bring up the point that the alliance would have worked, had the GOP really held up their end of the bargain, but the leadership had to have known from day one that it would be impossible to deliver on most of the values voters expectations, so instead they built the alliance and bucked the tiger till it throwed and ate em, and now they’ll regroup...form a new alliance with moderate Republicans and Conservative Democrats and start over. I believe we are witnessing the first steps of this sea change.
Ok those are my observations. This wasn’t meant to get any one group POd, just something to consider.
a toon victory will lead to the end of this ccountry as we know it.
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