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Group wants man charged for lion death
Daily Camera ^ | October 10, 2007 | Heath Urie

Posted on 10/10/2007 8:38:12 AM PDT by george76

Mother-in-law of shooter says he had no choice but to shoot.

A man who shot and killed a mountain lion last week in defense of his puppy should face criminal charges in the incident for "baiting" the animal, a wildlife-advocacy group said Tuesday.

Wendy Keefover-Ring, director of the Boulder-based Sinapu Carnivore Protection Program, said state prosecutors should cite Jeremy Kocar for baiting the mountain lion by leaving his dog tied up outside overnight.

Kocar also should face charges of shooting a cougar out of hunting season, which runs Nov. 20 through March 31, shooting without a hunting license and animal cruelty for leaving the puppy out without the protection of a covered kennel, Keefover-Ring said.

"I think it's absolutely negligent," Keefover-Ring said. "If you're living in mountain-lion country, it's common sense that you don't tether a dog outside.

"He needs to be made an example of."

Kocar, 31, killed the big cat early Friday morning after discovering Duke, his family's 8-month-old Rottweiler-Labrador mix, trapped in the cougar's jaws outside his Nederland-area trailer.

Kocar said the cougar turned toward him and took an aggressive posture, prompting him to fire a round at the cougar's head.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycamera.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; bang; banglist; cougar; doggieping; dow; keefoverring; lion; mountainlion; sinapu; sss; wendykeefoverring; wilderness
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I guess according to this dopey author, I’m eeeeeeeeevil because I dispatched the raccoon that killed five of my chickens?

Well, yeah...Who cares about your poor chickens? ;)(kidding) My husband's grandmother took care of lots of woodchucks, raccoons and other assorted creatures that got into her garden, she didn't use a butterfly net either. I think it was a .22. She was in here 80s.

21 posted on 10/10/2007 9:03:09 AM PDT by madison10
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To: driftdiver

So I guess if we keep our kids contained in a large topless cage, backyard, that they are fair game for the lions too. This was written by not just an idiot, but a “box of rocks stupid” idiot!!!!!


22 posted on 10/10/2007 9:04:58 AM PDT by oldenuff2no (My dad ldft for Europe in)
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To: george76

I also have a Labweiler.


23 posted on 10/10/2007 9:06:16 AM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: Savage Beast

“What would you expect in mountain lion country?”

What’s wrong is that people live there and it’s still “mountain lion country.” It could just as easily have been someone’s (two-legged) child attacked.


24 posted on 10/10/2007 9:06:57 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This Boulder-based Sinapu Carnivore group are even extreme for the Boulder area.

Sled dogs sleep outdoors in Alaska, Colorado...all the time.


25 posted on 10/10/2007 9:08:52 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Wendy Keefover-Ring

Why is it that hypenated women are always unpleasant? Anyone know?

26 posted on 10/10/2007 9:11:01 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: bill1952
"They didn’t evolve in the living room."

They didn't evolve anywhere.

27 posted on 10/10/2007 9:11:18 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: george76

And yet, these liberal mouthpieces have nothing to say about all the drunken bums that have to sleep outside every night in cold, cold Colorado?

Oh, that’s right...animals are everything; people don’t matter. *SMIRK*


28 posted on 10/10/2007 9:11:23 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: george76
They can want all day long. Intent would have to be proved,but then again its Boulder and if the DA is up for reelection ala Nifong watch out.
29 posted on 10/10/2007 9:11:35 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hey. I got a question. How are you planning to get back down that hill?)
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To: oldenuff2no

“So I guess if we keep our kids contained in a large topless cage, backyard, that they are fair game for the lions too. This was written by not just an idiot, but a “box of rocks stupid” idiot!!!!!”

Ok you’ve lost it. Dogs are not people. Kids are people and that is a big difference. The statement was made that keeping dogs on a chain was cruel. My response was that a chain was not cruel.

Of course precautions should be made against predators of all kids. So take your idiot comment and eat it with raw crow. Becoming hysterical sure won’t help when the lions come after you.


30 posted on 10/10/2007 9:12:06 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

These nuts were silent when PETA was killing dogs.

Remember when PETA even stole a hunting dog in Maryland ?


31 posted on 10/10/2007 9:16:12 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Wendy Keefover-Ring, director of the Boulder-based Sinapu Carnivore Protection Program...

I wish somebody would feed these people to the Damm things

32 posted on 10/10/2007 9:19:35 AM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: driftdiver; All

The issue is that in rural areas, a tied up dog at night in an unenclosed area cannot protect itself.

A freind told me he heard a neighbor’s dog get torn to bits by a pack of coyotes. The neighbor lived less than a mile away, and the sound carried quite well on the cold night.

He said it was one of the most horrible things he had ever heard...the dog literally shrieked as it was torn limb from limb, while the coyotes yelped and howled.

If you care for an animal, and you cannot afford an enclosure, it is downright sadistic to tie a dog up in the open, unmonitored for an entire night in a rural area.

People who care about their pets would not do it in an area frequented by polar bears in Alaska.

If someone doesn’t care about their dog, that is their business. But to say there is nothing wrong with it is a falsehood.


33 posted on 10/10/2007 9:27:06 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: OldCorps
"Why is it that hypenated women are always unpleasant? Anyone know?"

Easy. A hyphenated name indicates the person was raised in a liberal household, with liberal values. Can you just see an emasculated man saying "Sure, honey, you won't take my name because of the oppressive patriarichal power structure that enslaves women? Well, let's use the hyphen honey, is that OK? Honey, schnookums?".

The woman was no doubt raised WITHOUT a normal, manly father figure, and WITH an angry feminist harpy for a mom.

34 posted on 10/10/2007 9:27:40 AM PDT by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I miss Burgess Meredith, he was a good guy.)
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To: Charlespg

Beware of Animal Rights Activists with hyphenated last names.

Both male and female varieties.


35 posted on 10/10/2007 9:28:02 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: george76

If someone goes for a walk at night and is attacked by a mountain lion, will they too be charged with baiting?


36 posted on 10/10/2007 9:29:00 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: george76
There is no way Wendy Keefover-Ring is a native Coloradoan. If she were she would know Mountain Lions are pretty vicious. When they are hungry, threatened, ticked off whatever they attack. These animal rights whackos ought to be forced to spend a night in the mountains unarmed. I had a friend who was mauled by a mountain lion, fortunately he was able to kill it.
37 posted on 10/10/2007 9:31:00 AM PDT by adgirl
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To: All

BTW...I do want to indicate that I DO mean an unmonitored pet.

People OBVIOUSLY tie up their pets outside in many rural areas, and investigate when they hear any noise. That isn’t what I mean here, and it sounds like this guy was monitoring the animal (otherwise there would have been no incident...the puppy would have just disappeared)

The issue is people who tie the animal up and do not monitor it, and go to a friend’s house or a bar.


38 posted on 10/10/2007 9:35:16 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: AIM-54
" Puppies cannot defend themselves against much of anything, let alone mountain lions."

Something doesn't sound kosher here- just how big IS a 8-mo Rotty-Lab? 100 lb? Is this really something a cougar would go after?

39 posted on 10/10/2007 9:38:32 AM PDT by matthew fuller (Move SF Fleet Week to a real AMERICAN city.)
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To: ChocChipCookie
It’s not cool to leave dogs chained up outside at any time of the day or night.

Uh... why not?

40 posted on 10/10/2007 9:41:09 AM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not mutually exclusive.)
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