Posted on 10/08/2007 6:41:14 PM PDT by Copernicus
"...with ATF harrassing the [deleted] out of numerous mom & pop gunshops in SC, ID & elsewhere, this is THE American issue of alltimes. I pray to God ya all hammer relentlessly." -Nuge
McCARTHY BILL COULD COME UP AT ANY TIME IN THE U.S. SENATE
Now that Congress returns to work this week, your liberties are in jeopardy once again!
You will remember that before the Independence Day break, the House of Representatives passed a McCarthy gun control bill (HR 2640) without any hearings, without any committee action... they put it on the Suspension Calendar and simply got a non-recorded voice vote.
An important part of the legislative process is to introduce a bill in committee, to get both public and private observers to ask questions, make recommendations and offer comments on the bill.
But for some reason, HR 2640 was not given this benefit. The bill was rammed through the legislature with very few Representatives present on the House floor... there was no recorded vote at all!
(Excerpt) Read more at tednugent.com ...
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Wake up America!!
BTTT!!
As a Vet with combat PTSD, I am disheartened that mental illness is even a criteria. The criteria should be established patterns of behavior, such as criminal behavior, or sociopathic behavior, regardless of the cause.
The I know with the same neurological disorder are overwhelmingly introspective and suicidal, not homicidal. Part of the suicidal ideation comes from the lack of respect and hence, self-worth.
So it was ok to give me a gun to kill people in a foreign country, but now, on my return, I am suspect? Yeah, right.
My NRA membership will not be renewed.
What’s an NRA sheeple?
I’m an NRA Life Member (since 1960) and HR 2640 sucks, big time!
I’m also a GOA member and have sent their anti HR 2640 email text to my congresscritters.
OFF (http://www.oregonfirearms.org) is very active in fighting the anti-gun crowd here in Oregon and we’ve stopped our state congresscritters from passing any bad gun legislation.
Be Ever Vigilant!!
An "NRA Sheeple" is someone who gets on here and tells everyone that GOA, SAS, JPFO, et al are nothing but a "t-shirt and novelties company". They spout that since the NRA is for this bill it just "HAS" to be good. They claim that only the NRA is doing anything for gun rights.
Exactly. I got this looooooong e-mail yesterday from NRA trying to neutralize what the hysterical "extremeists" in the GOA are sending to the public. They went point by point to try and debunk all the "myths" surrounding this bill which really isn't "gun control" at all. Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhht.
I remember a time about ten years ago when the NRA stated in public that they did not consider the UN to be a threat to the gun rights of Americans. By that time I was five years into the studying how the NWO was a creation of the CFR and the Trilateral Commission. I was a good John Bircher. That became too expensive for the return I got on the membership, so I continued my research on my own.
NRA seems quite a ways behind the eightball and I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility to suggest they've been actively infiltrated at the highest levels to keep the populace of gun owners placated until it's too late. Conspiracy theory? DAMN RIGHT.
Take this legislative atrocity: Once a Bill is passed into law it's a heckuva lot easier to pass revisions than to try and ram thru a whole new piece of legislation. Once this POS is passed it can be changed any way they want any time they want. So wait for the slim majority of antigunners to swell to a strong majority....and pass the ban into being. I'm one of the vets affected. I'm not a combat vet but I was treated for mild depression by the VA. I'm over it now and although my file says I was never a danger to myself or others my blood still runs cold thinking about what could happen. Eventually I think the very fact that vets are trained in the deadly use of weapons will automatically disqualify them from ownership. In the bizarre thrust of the good old Catch-22, eventually the only folks who are psychologically and therefore legally eligible to own guns will be those who don't want them.
"We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true! ... We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy. We're going to beat guns into submission!"
-- Senator Charles Schumer, NBC Nightly News -- Nov. 30, 1993
Thanks for the clarification.
We can’t have all that spouting going on. >:-}
Wouldn't be all that big a deal, since he is a real, no-foolin' pig. Admitedly one with very small "oysters" and a rather disfigured ... well you know.
It's correct. There was no recorded vote. Here's a summary of major legislative actions with regard to HR 2640 as it went from the House to the Senate:
ALL ACTIONS:
6/11/2007:
Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
6/13/2007 10:31am:
Mr. Conyers moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill.
6/13/2007 10:32am:
Considered under suspension of the rules. (consideration: CR H6339-6347)
6/13/2007 11:15am:
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by voice vote. (text: CR H6339-6342)
6/13/2007 11:15am:
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
6/14/2007:
Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
Going into some detail of what happened, the only dissenting remarks that I saw were those of Representative Ron Paul:
Mr. PAUL. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to H.R. 2640, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System Improvements Amendments Act, and I urge caution.In my opinion, H.R. 2640 is a flagrantly unconstitutional expansion of restriction on the exercise of the right to bear arms protected under the second amendment.
H.R. 2640 also seriously undermines the privacy rights of all Americans, gun owners and non-gun owners alike, by creating and expanding massive Federal Government databases, including medical and other private records of every American.
H.R. 2640 illustrates how placing restrictions on the exercise of one right, in this case, the right to bear arms, inevitably leads to expanded restriction on other rights as well. In an effort to make the Brady background check on gun purchases more efficient, H.R. 2640 pressures States and mandates Federal agencies to dump massive amounts of information about the private lives of all Americans into a central Federal Government database.
Among the information that must be submitted to the database are medical, psychological, and drug treatment records that have traditionally been considered protected from disclosure under the physician/patient relationship, as well as records related to misdemeanor domestic violence. While supporters of H.R. 2640 say that there are restrictions on the use of this personal information, such restrictions did not stop the well-publicized IRS and FBI files privacy abuses by both Democratic and Republican administrations. Neither have such restrictions prevented children from being barred from flights because their names appeared on the massive terrorist watch list. We should not trick ourselves into believing that we can pick and choose which part of the Bill of Rights we support.
I urge my colleagues to join me in opposing this bill.
And here's the denouement:
[Time: 11:15] The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Conyers) that the House suspend the rules and pass the bill, H.R. 2640.The question was taken; and (two-thirds being in the affirmative) the rules were suspended and the bill was passed.
A motion to reconsider was laid on the table.
BTTT
You got it!!
Grad student suspended after pro gun rights e-mail(Just Wow!)
Hamline University also said that master's student Troy Scheffler, who owns a firearm, would be barred from campus and must receive a mandatory "mental health evaluation" after he sent an e-mail message arguing that law-abiding students should be able to carry firearms on campus for self-defense.
When I try to go to the original article at Ted Nugent’s site, it is coming up empty currently.
You’re right, it’s gone.
George Orwell's vision come to fruition.
The rule of the Internet now is to personally archive anything of consequence. If it is of REAL Consequence, make a hard print.
Threads disappear on FreeRepublic, chat groups, everywhere.
It maybe time to start up DeletedInternet.com
Best regards,
Hurry, get your copy before you have to go on the email grapevine to get a copy that may or may not be completely accurate.
That seems to be what happens with FreeRepublic Stuff.
Best regards,
Got it. Thanks!
"... The number of mental disorders that children and adults in the general population might exhibit leaped from 180 in 1968 to more than 350 in 1994,” notes Lane, Northwestern's Herman and Beulah Pearce Miller Research Professor. In a book that calls in doubt the facade of objective research behind psychiatry's revolution, Lane questions the rationale for the changes, and whether all of them were necessary and suitably precise...
In examining the American Psychiatric Association archives, Lane -- who argues that psychiatry is using drugs with poor track records to treat growing numbers of normal human emotions -- even came across a proposal to establish “chronic complaint disorder,” in which people moan about the weather, taxes or the previous night's racetrack results.
“It might be funny,” he says, save for the fact that the DSM's next edition, due to be completed in 2012, is likely to establish new categories for apathy, compulsive buying, Internet addiction, binge-eating and compulsive sexual behavior. Don't look for road rage, however. It's already in the DSM, under intermittent explosive disorder."
How long before gun ownership becomes a category in the DSM?
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