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Abortion Ban Will Never Happen; Pro-Life Movement Needs New Plan
North Star Writers Group ^ | October 8, 2007 | Dan Calabrese

Posted on 10/08/2007 7:29:07 AM PDT by Dukes Travels

It’s time for the fight against abortion to move to a new front. An honest look at the landscape suggests that the longtime goal of the pro-life movement – the banning of abortion – is never going to be achieved.

We need to try something else.

I believe a fetus is a human being who deserves protection under the law from being killed. But if the goal is to save the lives of unborn children – and it should be – we need to look at our primary line of attack and see what it has achieved, and what it is likely to achieve in the future.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; dobson; prolife
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To: Malone LaVeigh

We should accept these exclusions with the provision that any threat to the mother’s health had to be medically documented and any falsification would expose the doctor to a loss of license to practice medicine. A claim of rape or incest would have to be conditional on the filing of a police report.

And the Death Penalty for the Criminal too.


61 posted on 10/08/2007 9:04:10 AM PDT by Son House ($$Proud Member of Vast Right Wing, Out To Lower Your Tax Rates For More Opportunities.$$)
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To: weegee

I envision a Cradle-To-Grave Right To Life Amendment that will cover everything from prenatal personhood to the right of a person not to be starved or dehydrated to death.


62 posted on 10/08/2007 9:04:50 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: weegee
Do you feel better now? So what practicle difference has that distinction made with regard to abortion?

If you can think the opposition is going to let you parlay that distinction into an actual defense for the unborn, i'll eat my hat.

63 posted on 10/08/2007 9:06:20 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Aquinasfan
Is this person omniscient or just clairvoyant?

I believe the word you're looking for is "pragmatic."

64 posted on 10/08/2007 9:12:28 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: television is just wrong

Completely disagree. The social stigma would serve as an impetus to have an abortion no one knows about to avoid the stigma. It would run counter to your plan.


65 posted on 10/08/2007 9:24:23 AM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: goldstategop

Roe v. Wade says that if Congress passes a statute saying that if Congress were to pass a statute declaring that the fetus is a “person within the meaning of the 14th Amendment, appellant’s case collapses.” In other words, it is CONGRESS that has chosen, for 34 years, to leave Roe v. Wade in place.


66 posted on 10/08/2007 9:30:34 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: everyone

Donate to your local Crisis Pregnancy Center. The one in SF is always in need of funds. There are few local churches to support it, and those that exist are usually small and poor. Children’s lives are saved at these places, women and men are often restored to faith, many are presented with abstinence counseling, poor families are helped in many many ways - help!


67 posted on 10/08/2007 9:31:48 AM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: rottndog
Totally agree. Best case scenario--SCOTUS populated by judges who properly send the issue back to the states. Some states will outlaw it, some won't. That's as it should be, according to how this country was built.

I am unaware of any of the Founders who believed that the States had the authority to legalize murder.

68 posted on 10/08/2007 9:33:28 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Dukes Travels

One of the most idiotic articles I’ve ever seen.


69 posted on 10/08/2007 9:33:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney is Giuliani. He's just lying about it.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Slavery and Lynchings were legal...

They never envisioned Federal authority in that area, hence the too often ignored 10th amendment.


70 posted on 10/08/2007 9:36:46 AM PDT by rottndog (Let us NEVER forget those who have paid the highest price, that we may live in FREEDOM!)
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To: Dukes Travels

Bump for later.


71 posted on 10/08/2007 9:42:19 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dukes Travels

Personhood Federal Amendment: Problem Solved: Let’s go for the Jugular..

This person is a (compromiser), or they aren’t willing to stand up and be ‘counted’.


72 posted on 10/08/2007 9:43:54 AM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: Dukes Travels

IF the MSM really covered the abortion issue with pictures etc abortion would be illegal in months


73 posted on 10/08/2007 9:45:23 AM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: Hildy

Selfish: You Rinos are selfish for taking the Republican party and *trashing* it!

It’s not selfish to stand up for morality, and principle.

It’s looking after the good of the nation, and ‘NO’ I don’t owe my soul to the Republican Party..frankly they can “Go crying back to NYC” for all I care.


74 posted on 10/08/2007 9:49:06 AM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: uncbob
IF the MSM really covered the abortion issue with pictures etc abortion would be illegal in months

Interesting thought.

I recall that drudge walked away from Fox after they refused to air a photo of a of a prenatal baby undergoing surgery.

75 posted on 10/08/2007 10:01:40 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: avacado
In order to achieve those goals, the first thing that has to happen is for Roe-v-Wade to be overturned. If pro-lifers sit out the election because the perfect Republican was not the nominee, they can forget about that happening.

We must work within the political process as much as we can, realizing our limitations, but more importantly, work to change hearts and minds. This has come a long way in the last 15 years, as shown by the opinion polls, and I believe that pretty strong restrictions on abortion can be achieved in most, if not all, states, if we can get Roe-v-Wade overturned, because, until that time, any restrictions will be overturned within that precendent.

76 posted on 10/08/2007 10:03:46 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Dukes Travels
This article is just more libertarian trash dressed up in Christian underwear. Render unto Caesar does NOT mean co-operate with Caesar and sit idly by while Caesar slaughters the innocent. The lives of the innocent are God's.

With the monotonous and continual spamming in favor of libertoonian paleoPaulie who claims to be pro-life while also denying that the fedgov has any jurisdiction, coupled with the libertoonian worship of minigummint above (below???) all else and the self-worship reflected by libertoonianism generally, be aware that this article is just one more example of soft soap to get conservatives to abandon morality, abandon God, abandon worthwhile purposes for war, abandon marriage as an institution, and abandon the innocent unborn to the fate prepared by the materialistic and selfish who help create them but refuse to allow them to live if they find those lives "inconvenient."

Simultaneously, there is the insane desire of the same libertoonians to see nominated some candidate, ANY candidate from Julie Annie to Run Paul who will let them get together with their left wing, antiwar, antiAmerican, pro-lavender, pro-druggie and pro-abort soulmates.

Whether they want Flee in Terror Paulie or want social revolutionary Julie Annie, there is a place for them politically: the Demonratic Party. And another place for them politically: The Libertarian Party.

Whether the paleowhatevers and/or libertoonians like it or not, the GOP is the culturally, morally and socially conservative and interventionist party and we ain't going back to the amoral slovenliness and confusion of the Nixon, Ford, Kissinger, Eisenhower era of the GOP.

77 posted on 10/08/2007 10:05:03 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: rottndog

But I wasn’t talking about slavery. I was talking about murder. (I don’t believe lynchings were ever legal. They were winked at.)


78 posted on 10/08/2007 10:11:15 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: William Terrell

With all due respect (considerable respect), I disagree. Where is “personhood” defined in the 14th Amendment other than in being a broader category than citizen? Give the definition.


79 posted on 10/08/2007 10:13:24 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Wow, I had to respond to this one.

I am certainly not a libertarian, and I can’t stand Ron Paul.

I have always been pro-life and always supported state bans on abortion and the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

This column represents my having come to the conclusion that we’re banging our heads against the wall trying to get that done, and we could be saving a lot more babies if we stopped wasting our time banging our heads against that wall and started putting all our efforts into trying to convince people not to have abortions.

I do find it interesting how often you can write a column just saying what you think, and you have people accuse you of secretly being this or that (a libertarian, a paleo, etc.)

No. I’m just a guy who wants to save babies and thinks this is a better way to do it.


80 posted on 10/08/2007 10:13:24 AM PDT by Dan Calabrese
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