Posted on 10/05/2007 10:11:12 AM PDT by Signalman
The lid of secrecy covering the Sept. 6 Israeli air strike into Syria remains tight but one new theory emerging amid the speculation is that the Israeli conducted an electronic warfare exercise in preparation for future strikes or an attack on Iran.
Authoritative reports from the Middle East stated that the Israel operation included extensive electronic warfare jamming by aircraft. The Israeli were testing the capabilities of Russian-made air defenses, including both radar and missiles located near Damascus and south of Homs near the Lebanese northern border.
The raid was unprecedented in the blanket of jamming and electronic disruption that it caused over wide areas of Syria enroute to the target point, a base near the Euphrates River.
The jamming also affected parts of Lebanon and Israel but Syria was able to get a small amount of sensor information from one of its electronic eavesdropping stations and spot the Israeli infiltration.
The raid was part of a U.S. “masint” operation according to this theory, referring to the military practice known as measurement and signature intelligence that is designed to learn the chrematistics and capabilities of all weapons in a region that emanate electronic signals. The masint signatures are needed for targeting and for defeating air defense threats.
The daring raid would gain valuable intelligence needed for future strikes by both Israel and the United States in the region.
The U.S. military is considering attacks on both Syria and Iran to counter infiltration by insurgents and terrorists into Iraq, including the Iranian paramilitaries. Israel could use the data for its battle against Hizbullah and possibly a future strike on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Journalist Jack Wheeler raised this idea in a recent report when he stated that the identity of the target, whether nuclear facilities, missiles or Hizbullah terrorists is “not the story.”
“The primary point of the attack was not to destroy that target,” Wheeler said. “It was to shut down Syria's Russian air defense system during the attack. Doing so made the attack an incredible success. Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless enemies are fun.”
>but Syria was able to get a small amount of sensor information from one of its electronic eavesdropping stations and spot the Israeli infiltration.
That is not good. More work to be done there.
So what you’re essentially saying is that the Syrian’s “got pantsed” by the Israelis and Americans
>You don’t give up the element of surprise by revealing that you can take down an enemy system just for the heck of it.
Bingo. - Exactly.
EMP, something like they used in the Matrix??????/Just Asking - seoul62..........
I still think US Navy EA6-B’s might have been used in this attack. Perhaps on the Iraq/Syrian border, in the MED, or both.
No one can "change" their defense system within a time frame of a month. Both Syria and Iran have built up a Russian defense system over years, which apparently has been proven to be worthless.
Iran announced this week that it has deployed its own “new defense system.
You don't buy every PR utterance by Iran, don't you? Their "own new" defense system? Who are they kidding? The Russia supplied stuff doesn't do the job, so they want to convince us that Iranian made defense systems work? This very statement is an indication for their confusion, since they have realized that the costly Russian defense system are easily penetrable.
Actually you’re quite wrong here.
You do want them to know, it’s called deterrence.
A country is going to be less prone to try something funny if they know that their much vaunted defense systems are no better than putting Ahmed in a tree with binoculars.
Not only that, but it’s also a mental attack in the respect that their leadership, citizens, and military know that they are essentially defenseless if the Israelis or Americans decided to just walk in and level their government.
It’s truly a great weapon to let them know, prevents them from trying to attack when they’re too worried that they’re going to get whacked.
Operator: We get signal.
Captain: What !
Operator: Main screen turn on.
Captain: It’s you !!
CATS: How are you gentlemen !!
CATS: All your base are belong to us.
CATS: You are on the way to destruction.
Captain: What you say !!
CATS: You have no chance to survive make your time.
CATS: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....
Another No Comment thread.
U.S. aerospace industry and retired military officials indicated today that a technology like the U.S.-developed “Suter” airborne network attack system developed by BAE Systems and integrated into U.S. unmanned aircraft by L-3 Communications was used by the Israelis. The system has been used or at least tested operationally in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last year.
The technology allows users to invade communications networks, see what enemy sensors see and even take over as systems administrator so sensors can be manipulated into positions so that approaching aircraft can’t be seen, they say. The process involves locating enemy emitters with great precision and then directing data streams into them that can include false targets and misleading messages algorithms that allow a number of activities including control.
It appears, the Israeli’s (or the US) developed a very effective AECM (Active Electronics Countermeasure) technique for the Russian SAM’s.
See the post above yours (#31) for the answer.
You're confusing the argument.
Let's start over.
Dog's theory is that Israel hit Syria as a test run for an attack on Iran.
That's valid, but my counter-point is that you don't reveal how you are going to attack Iran if you really mean to do it because that gives up the element of surprise and allows for your enemy to have a shot at changing/improivng their defenses.
You, however, are making a different argument: deterrence.
Revealing that you can hit someone *is* a valid tactic for deterrence.
But deterrence is not Dog's theory.
Being over 50 has a number of downsides, and just one of them is that I’d probably have to live to be about 120 before finding out what happened. Those in there 20’s and 30’s just have to make it into their 80’s or 90’s. :-)
Hit the “Change All” button on the spell checker, I suspect.
Exactly....
Yea, I saw that in Aviation Week. Very interesting and very possible it was used.
But I think our conventional EW is perfectly capable of blinding the Syrians.
Cool story. I think the Syrians had more than just chemicals or the makings of a dirty bomb. Because of the urgency of the strike and different reactions, I think they had a ready device.
I hope we know more about it, some day. Or maybe not...
You are right....my theory was that the whole mission was aimed at spoofing the Syrian system. And from the sounds of it...it worked.
Always willing to oblige.
You’re wrong.
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