Posted on 10/05/2007 10:11:12 AM PDT by Signalman
The lid of secrecy covering the Sept. 6 Israeli air strike into Syria remains tight but one new theory emerging amid the speculation is that the Israeli conducted an electronic warfare exercise in preparation for future strikes or an attack on Iran.
Authoritative reports from the Middle East stated that the Israel operation included extensive electronic warfare jamming by aircraft. The Israeli were testing the capabilities of Russian-made air defenses, including both radar and missiles located near Damascus and south of Homs near the Lebanese northern border.
The raid was unprecedented in the blanket of jamming and electronic disruption that it caused over wide areas of Syria enroute to the target point, a base near the Euphrates River.
The jamming also affected parts of Lebanon and Israel but Syria was able to get a small amount of sensor information from one of its electronic eavesdropping stations and spot the Israeli infiltration.
The raid was part of a U.S. “masint” operation according to this theory, referring to the military practice known as measurement and signature intelligence that is designed to learn the chrematistics and capabilities of all weapons in a region that emanate electronic signals. The masint signatures are needed for targeting and for defeating air defense threats.
The daring raid would gain valuable intelligence needed for future strikes by both Israel and the United States in the region.
The U.S. military is considering attacks on both Syria and Iran to counter infiltration by insurgents and terrorists into Iraq, including the Iranian paramilitaries. Israel could use the data for its battle against Hizbullah and possibly a future strike on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Journalist Jack Wheeler raised this idea in a recent report when he stated that the identity of the target, whether nuclear facilities, missiles or Hizbullah terrorists is “not the story.”
“The primary point of the attack was not to destroy that target,” Wheeler said. “It was to shut down Syria's Russian air defense system during the attack. Doing so made the attack an incredible success. Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless enemies are fun.”
but they’d be happy to get it into the green zone as well.
EXACTLEEEEEEEEE
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Damnfiknow,,,try Google...(snicker...;0)
LOL,,,I was in during the late ‘60s,,,Army 25th.ADA(Herc) at
Div. level(SAGE) in the “Blue Room” at McChord,AFB.(Wa.)
25th.AD.(my last year)...
IMO : The IAF/USN/USAF gave a “Snow~Job” to moozzi from east and west and maybe north at the same time,,,
ECM/Hack/?,,,
The large area tells us that,,,Med. to Iraq to Israel,,,
Why no Migs up ?!?!?!,,,
Ain’t heard a word about that !!
Sorry my friend, having military training in tactics and PsyOps and a background working with DoD Engineers makes me quite educated in military tactics and technology.
Now, the tools they used to blind Syria’s systems is and will remain a mystery to Syria and Iran, those two countries knowing that we have the ability to do this and they can’t stop it has a powerful effect that will help more in the diplomatic arena.
You really need to look at the big picture and stop thinking like an engineer for a few minutes here.
What was accomplished has far greater effects than just a blackened hole that use to be a base in Syria, it has let the enemy know that they will be unable to stop an all out assault when and how we please if they continue the course they are on.
So yes, I have quite a bit of understanding concerning these matters, I’m by no means an expert, but I know a added benefit to an action when I see on from a war fighting standpoint.
“You really need to look at the big picture and stop thinking like an engineer for a few minutes here.”
You need to stop throwing phony credentials around and pretending you see a non-existent “big picture”.
You do NOT use a silver bullet, which EW tactics are, especially these days, unless you want a target gone.
The picture is that the Israeli’s were worried about the facility and the contents of the facility. They used what they had to use to eliminate it.
It’s really not that hard to see - there is no larger forest here. If you truly understood military training and tactics you’d know you do not use specialized, high-value, highly secret capabilities as a PsyOps exercise.
You use them when you need to have them.
The psychological impact on Syria and Iran was simply a collateral benefit. Unfortunately, next time the Syrians and Iranians will be that much more prepared for any EW activity headed their way.
That the Israeli’s thought this target was of such high value and importance is the main story here, even my simple, single-minded engineer brain gets that.
Might be possible at SONAR Frequencies, although because of the medium and the broadband nature of sonar, maybe not very much so.
At radar frequencies, forget about it. The wavelengths are so short that small errors in timing would end up reinforcing the return, not canceling it.
Deception jamming works by capturing the tracking gates with a stronger signal, and it's used primarily against tracking radars. Search or surveillance radars are defeated by noise jamming, of various sorts. But noise jamming does advertise your presence. However the jammer can be on a standoff platform that sort of plows the way for the penetrating aircraft by knocking the detection range of the radar way down.
If the emitter has a random modulation characteristic, it might be impossible to use destructive inference to counter. But certainly we can detect and produce broadband EM, and we have semiconductors (if not materials) that operate at extremely high frequencies.
We know of materials that are nearly perfectly reflective in the broadband. Broadband light frequencies are reflected by mirrors, perceived by our eyes as “silver”, when the brain understands that the light is a reflection, otherwise as invisible. One facet of stealth. We know what a mirror does, we know what an invert mirror does 180 degree phase shift and your gone. A technological problem.
It is quite amazing the technological advantage the US has over its enemies. But I’m told that Israeli air force would be a formidable foe for whatever we’ve got.
I’ve worked for a company that builds weapon’s systems, hardly fast enough for our customers though - specs change before we can get much of the order out the door. Newer, faster, more capable electronics every year - of so much advantage that the army wants it in now, mid production. Keeps us busy.
And you especially do not use those tactics without also seriously destroying or affecting their first strike capability. This is even more important when dealing with suicidal Islamists. All you will accomplish when you poke an Islamic Hornets Nest, is that it will release all the hornets. We saw that in Iraq (insurgency). All these suicidal nutjobs want is a plausible excuse to abuse the virgins in paradise.
My friend, don’t start throwing bombs if you can’t take the fall back.
Now, as for my credentials, I don’t feel I need to prove that to you, but the military paperwork and training I have says they’re far from phony.
And I’m the guy that puts RF engineers like yourself, as well as all other forms of engineers into every major, and most minor, defense companies working on all the fun things the military gets to use, I had people working on the Raptor and the JSF to name a few, so I actually do get a pretty clear picture of the technology while talking to them and from the company requirements.
Now, as for giving away technology and showing their hand, they did neither, if a guy you’re about to fight bends a steel bar in his hands that tips you off to his capabilities, knowing that doesn’t help you if you’re in a position unable to stop it.
The technology employed by the Israelis in this attack to blind the Syrian defense systems is by no means useless now that the Syrians know they have it since there’s little they can do about it, hell, they bought the system from the Russians which means they don’t have the technological capability to create a countermeasure, hell, they couldn’t even make the base system itself.
And since their sensors were useless, I highly doubt that they were able to glean any useful information that they could use to try and counter the Israeli systems.
Now, from the psyops perspective, I said intended or unintended, meaning that no matter what it had a greater benefit than just taking out a target.
So, I stand by my words that you’re making a big deal out of nothing, and before you start trying to doubt a persons credentials, please make sure you know who you’re speaking to.
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“And I’m the guy that puts RF engineers like yourself, as well as all other forms of engineers into every major, and most minor, defense companies working on all the fun things the military gets to use, I had people working on the Raptor and the JSF to name a few, so I actually do get a pretty clear picture of the technology while talking to them and from the company requirements.”
So, you’re a headhunter, therefore you know.
“So, I stand by my words that you’re making a big deal out of nothing, and before you start trying to doubt a persons credentials, please make sure you know who you’re speaking to.”
It goes both ways.
“Sure there are. Russian technicians will replace dummied-down export components/programming with current in-house stuff. Not their cutting-edge R&D level components, but operational stuff. “
I can’t see it. I worked on export versions of US radar systems in Saudi Arabia. Any major field change is a big deal. I can’t see them just swapping out a circuit board or upgrading the signal processing software. Most fixes that are in the works are usually to increase reliability of some component rather than actually increasing the performance of the set. That is you get a Mod 2 version to replace the Mod 1. I especially can’t see them doing it quickly and being confident it was going to work.
Radars are hard to keep operating at peak efficiency. There is always something that “needs doing.” Sometimes the key essential piece of the radar that will allow it to function in a hostile environment is the hardest thing to maintain.
I also don’t have much respect for the kind of people they are going to get to operate them. The Syrians have a reputation for getting their @$$ kicked operating against the Israelis. They are the Chicago Cubs of AAW.
“Or credit the Serbs of having heritage with mother Russia and access to the Russian’s more advanced equipment.”
I give the Serbs credit for having their head in the game and being willing and able to absorb battle lessons and apply them to the next round. The Russians have a vested interest in learning of any weaknesses in their combat systems to incorporate them into the next versions. I would think the goal would be to improve them for the protection of Mother Russia than any particular concern for what happens to a client state.
With the Serbians at least, the Russians can be reasonably certain that the equipment was maintained and operated at least as well as the average Russian. Can’t say that about its other customers.
That rates a giant Allahu fubar!
Agreed. I also have to give credit where it is due. The Serbs are brighter then your average Arab. A lot more spine and courage to boot.
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