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This is BS!

The people we know today as the Native Americans are not the same people who preceeded them to the Americans and they should have no claim to their skeletons. There are many skeletons that don't resemble Native Americans what-so-ever.

They don't want you to know that they weren't here first.

1 posted on 10/04/2007 5:36:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Coyoteman; LucyT
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Vintage Skulls

"The oldest human remains found in the Americas were recently "discovered" in the storeroom of Mexico's National Museum of Anthropology. Found in central Mexico in 1959, the five skulls were radiocarbon dated by a team of researchers from the United Kingdom and Mexico and found to be 13,000 years old. They pre-date the Clovis culture by a couple thousand years, adding to the growing evidence against the Clovis-first model for the first peopling of the Americas."

"Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans.

2 posted on 10/04/2007 5:39:21 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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This is about the worst thing that could happen.

"White man did to the 'Native Americans' exactly what the 'Natives' did to the Original Peoples"

3 posted on 10/04/2007 5:41:01 PM PDT by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: blam

The thing is, the facts about who was here before the “Native American” have to be discussed separately from the moral debate about how the American Indian was treated by European settlers. Once these two different topics are separated, and guilt and culpability and other emotions are put aside for the moment, the “Native American” movement has very little to stand on. (Which, of course, is why these topics are NEVER separated.)


6 posted on 10/04/2007 5:45:59 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist living in Boston)
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To: blam
They don't want you to know that they weren't here first.

That would be it alright.

7 posted on 10/04/2007 5:47:42 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: blam

I think I read somewhere that the definition of aboriginal peoples is those who most effectively and utterly eliminated the people there when they arrived.


8 posted on 10/04/2007 5:48:45 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: blam

Remains would automatically be turned over to tribes rather than requiring an ancestral link to be demonstrated first, she said.

I Think she has it backwards, tribes should prove they are linked first


10 posted on 10/04/2007 6:05:21 PM PDT by Shots
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To: blam
That includes remains from small bands of people who died out and left no ancestors,

Descendants.

11 posted on 10/04/2007 6:06:33 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (When the dog bites, when the bee stings, when you're feeling sad ... Bush's fault.)
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To: blam
We can't have the public finding out that Caucasians might have been here before the "Native Americans" now can we? Someone would have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

The Socialist left is very comfortable with the current version of American "history."

12 posted on 10/04/2007 6:26:01 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (This U.S. Army veteran supports Rush! Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, and Harkin can all kiss my @$$.)
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It’s not enough that the State has driven a stake through the heart of science by funding only the research to support its policies; now it must hide the evidence as well so even privately-funded scientists can’t do the studies.


13 posted on 10/04/2007 6:47:47 PM PDT by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: blam
The bill was sponsored by Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., and co-sponsored by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

I once admired McCain. Thank God I have grown up.

15 posted on 10/04/2007 7:13:18 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: blam
could claim ancient remains even if a direct link to a tribe can't be proven.

In this case I claim the right to claim any bones I find period, even If I can prove a direct link to the bones as my ancestors. I want all the land surrounding my property for a distance of 300 miles square(not square miles) to be declared a calex59 burial ground and as such is sacrosanct and can't be tred upon except by my relatives. That should cover it and it makes as much sense as Inidians claiming bones of a people that are not even remotely related to them except for the fact they are human.

18 posted on 10/04/2007 8:28:14 PM PDT by calex59
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The Politics of Dead ‘Native Americans’
Tech Central Station | 11/23/2004 | Jackson Kuhl
Posted on 11/23/2004 2:48:40 AM EST by farmfriend
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286499/posts

Bones of Contention: A bad bill would throttle American archaeology.
NRO.com | April 14, 2005 | John J. Miller
Posted on 04/14/2005 4:24:33 PM EDT by The Great Yazoo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1383807/posts

NAGPRA and scientists
Native American Times | 2/22/2006 | Sam Lewin
Posted on 02/26/2006 11:32:23 PM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1586132/posts

NAGPRA update [ Elizabeth Weiss ]
ArchaeoBlog | Wednesday, July 19, 2006 | Anthony
Posted on 07/22/2006 4:05:24 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1670566/posts


19 posted on 10/04/2007 10:57:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 27, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Now tucked inside a bill that would allow tribal participation in methamphetamine grants -- among other changes -- is a two-word addition to the American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act... The Senate bill would expand the definition of what remains are considered ancestral. It would add the words "or was" to a definition of Native American to say that when it comes to ancient remains, "Native American" refers to a member of a tribe or culture that "is or was" indigenous to the United States.
Senator John McCain has been a supporter of this in the past (see the above links).
20 posted on 10/04/2007 10:58:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 27, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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21 posted on 10/04/2007 11:00:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 27, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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These relics are the history of all humanity. They should be available for all of us to learn to understand the evolution of humanoids and migration pattern of early man. They are our roots and should not be made inaccessible by relegating them to one tribe to which no direct lineage can be shown.


24 posted on 10/04/2007 11:47:08 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: blam
“They don’t want you to know that they weren’t here first.”

They don’t want to lose all those tax-free casinos and tobacco franchise “reparations”, either.

Why do we even bother to seek “truth” any more?

Inevitably, somebody, somewhere who is “offended” by it will just hire lawyers to bury it.

More Blue Oyster Cult lyrics:

"I'm after rebellion; I'll settle for lies."

Pffffft.

25 posted on 10/05/2007 3:16:42 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: blam
Personally I think your theory that Native Americans aren’t related to the First Americans to be pretty far fetched (we are all still genetically related to ancestors whose morphology we don’t share) . However NAGPRA requires a direct cultural affiliation if you can’t prove a biological one. Changing that would be a racist move on the governments part and a disaster for real research.
26 posted on 10/05/2007 5:29:48 AM PDT by Varda
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To: blam

They or they may not be, but trying them to archaic pre-Columbian fossils is totally absurd. This is just another example of the melt-down of western civilization in the face of radical nativist types whose main agenda is not to protect their genuine immediate tribal ancestors, but to make a political statement.

Too bad we have so many gutless harlots in Congress but then most of them are Dems or RINOS so what can we expect.


28 posted on 10/05/2007 8:18:59 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: blam
On the one hand, it’s not difficult to understand the Native’s position on this issue, especially when one considers their religious beliefs regarding ancestors and how devastating it must be to know that, for all intents and purposes, their culture has been eradicated. An urge to cling to whatever they have left is entirely understandable, I’m sure most Americans would be livid at the idea of digging up Arlington Cemetery at any point in the future.

On the other hand, the advancement of scientific knowledge about the paleo-history of this continent is a good and worthy goal.

Ideally one would like to see a compromise situation whereby bones discovered would be paid whatever respects a tribe feels necessary, and then ‘loaned’ to an institution for study.

Also, I’m confused about how some people seem to feel that the fact that those people we call ‘Native Americans’ may not have been the first people here somehow lessens the tragedy of what happened to them.

30 posted on 10/05/2007 11:22:04 AM PDT by 49th (this space for rent)
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This is PURE PAYOLA.

The Indians do not want to admit that their “claims” are tenuous. Since it now can be PROVEN the indians were not alone or here first then it is a threat to their casinos.


32 posted on 10/05/2007 4:48:04 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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