Posted on 10/04/2007 9:40:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
When Mitt Romney appeared last week (via closed circuit from California) before the Council of Retired Chief Executives meeting in Washington, he faced kindred souls: rich Republicans who had managed big enterprises. Yet the second question from the audience was whether Romney's Mormon faith was hurting his quest for the Republican presidential nomination. He replied that about the only people who brought up his religion were members of the media, an answer that simply is untrue.
Romney is asked about Mormonism wherever he goes. In my travels, I find his religious preference cited everywhere as the source of opposition to his candidacy. His response to the former chief executives that only reporters care about this issue sounded like a politician's tired evasion. Romney was either too obtuse to appreciate his problem or was stalling because he had not determined how to deal with it. Contact with his advisers indicates that it's the latter.
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With this party throughout those yrs run folks for the house and the senate. We'll have a few in the house and maybe in the senate. It'll take yrs to have an effective party, thinking otherwise is delusional.
“Don’t you see the similarity of both of those views. They both presuppose the existence of GOD.”
But you believe in the Not-God God, which is a religion as well. And no, humility and ego are not the same. So you are guilty of fallacies as great as anything you have accused me of.
“If you don’t have any evidence of the existence of GOD it is irrational to believe in it.”
Except I do have evidence, which comes from thermdynamics and logic.
“I assert that you are irrational, the same as any other believer, whether it is Dobson or Romney or Huckabee.”
And I assert you are irrational, the same as any other atheist, whether it is Hitler or Stalin or Mao.
You could have used other examples instead of ruthless killers.
That was an unconscionable act!
Why do you draw from the most hideous part of your being!
He still defends one's right to their own belief including yours!
The only "obvious" thing in these conversations is your blind hatred toward the Mormon faith.
Evangelicals will never vote a Mormon for any office...it’s a matter of principle.
In 1960, millions of mainstream Protestant Christians reportedly said they would NEVER vote for a Catholic, due to the belief that JFK would be beholden to the Roman Catholic POPE!
(not to mention the Protestants bewilderment of Rosary Beads, unending Hail Mary prayers, fish on Friday, celibacy, the deified appoint of the Papal office, etc)
Like the bulk of Catholics, Mormons have been one of the strongest, most productive, most pro-patriotic US supporters (and conservative) in the past 100 years.
These Romney-haters should take a hard look at themselves, rather than spew this hatred toward an accomplished Mitt Romney -- a man who likely would be the strongest candidate against ANY Democrat, including Hillary.
Wuzza madda, not getting any attention with your flaming accusation of ‘hate’? Try ‘bigotry’, or is that last weeks strategy?
And I suppose you are also one of those Nicean boys? You are lost,my friend. Perhaps if you prayed for understanding and then read the whole thing you might get it.
FC:And I assert you are irrational, the same as any other atheist, whether it is Hitler or Stalin or Mao.
“You could have used other examples instead of ruthless killers. That was an unconscionable act!”
No it wasn’t unconscionable and I hardly need advice from you who relentlessly runs to the moderators and misquotes me in an unconscionable attempt to distort my positions. I meant to point out that some of the most irrational people around are atheists, and I believe I proved my point.
“Why do you draw from the most hideous part of your being!”
As usual, you get in the first personal attack and then run away, run away and cry wolf. You are a Golum restornu with quite a “hideous part of your being” of your own to tend to.
“He still defends one’s right to their own belief including yours!”
No he doesn’t, he has stated repeatedly that anyone who believes in God is irrational (therefore by default off subject - no matter what the subject). Moreover, along with you he calls for censorship of the antis on a regular basis (though he is clever to hide it by calling for all political discussion that mentions religion to be culled). Censorship is the shackling of my beliefs, no matter how you try to spin it and no one who has watched how you work on these forums believes your little games anymore.
I did not call you names I asked why you go to that place that always speaks the worst of someone?
I have watched your post you always go for the jugular you never just state your case!
“He still defends one’s right to their own belief including yours!”
No he doesn’t, he has stated repeatedly that anyone who believes in God is irrational (therefore by default off subject - no matter what the subject).
There is a distinction when one disagrees to not allowing to letting you have your view point. He just disagree from what I read and that is not censorship!
LeGrande are saying you want to censor others view point?
(crickets chirping)... need to call in some bench squad help?
buzz off
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Once one had a witness from the Holy Ghost and than denies it he cooked his goose!
2 Ne. 31:
14 But, behold, my beloved brethren, thus came the voice of the Son unto me, saying: After ye have repented of your sins, and witnessed unto the Father that ye are willing to keep my commandments, by the baptism of water, and have received the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost, and can speak with a new tongue, yea, even with the tongue of angels, and after this should deny me, it would have been better for you that ye had not known me.
Jacob 6
7 For behold, after ye have been nourished by the good word of God all the day long, will ye bring forth evil fruit, that ye must be hewn down and cast into the fire?
8 Behold, will ye reject these words? Will ye reject the words of the prophets; and will ye reject all the words which have been spoken concerning Christ, after so many have spoken concerning him; and deny the good word of Christ, and the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and quench the Holy Spirit, and make a mock of the great plan of redemption, which hath been laid for you?
9 Know ye not that if ye will do these things, that the power of the redemption and the resurrection, which is in Christ, will bring you to stand with shame and awful guilt before the bar of God?
10 And according to the power of justice, for justice cannot be denied, ye must go away into that lake of fire and brimstone, whose flames are unquenchable, and whose smoke ascendeth up forever and ever, which lake of fire and brimstone is endless torment.
11 O then, my beloved brethren, repent ye, and enter in at the strait gate, and continue in the way which is narrow, until ye shall obtain eternal life.
12 O be wise; what can I say more?
13 Finally, I bid you farewell, until I shall meet you before the pleasing bar of God, which bar striketh the wicked with awful dread and fear. Amen.
Alma 39:
6 For behold, if ye deny the Holy Ghost when it once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny it, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness.
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
I am so thankful the Book of Mormon has the plain and pressious truths!
Sons of Perdition
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/s/82
Those who deny Christ’s miracles to get gain shall become like the son of perdition, 3 Ne. 29: 7. They will receive no forgiveness in this world or the next, D&C 76: 30-34 (D&C 84: 41; 132: 27). They are the only ones who will not be redeemed from the second death, D&C 76: 34-48. Sons of perdition deny the Holy Spirit after receiving it, D&C 76:
35. Sons of perdition deny the Son after the Father has revealed him, D&C 76: 43. Cain shall be called Perdition, Moses 5: 22-26.
Lucifer aka Satan went against the Light!
“I did not call you names I asked why you go to that place that always speaks the worst of someone?”
Now that is quite some spin. What do you think that “hideous part of your being” is? A term of affection? In fact it is quite worse than name calling, it is a slander. Here, I’ll show you how this works and we’ll see how you like it, without ever calling you a name:
“From the deepest pits of your fetid soul you bring forth the foul sulphorous and corrosive powers of the dark.”
Now that isn’t explicit name calling, it is something worse, a slanderous accusation that you are a devil. Now, if that made you feel good, then I suggest you continue to address me in similar ways, but if you took it as an insult then maybe you ought to think about backing away from your tactic of personal slander and I’ll do the same.
“I have watched your post you always go for the jugular you never just state your case!”
You aren’t in my league resty when it comes to debate. Certainly I go for the jugular (when attacked), I know what I’m talking about and I don’t have a lot of time or sympathy for those who don’t have a coherent argument. If you want to play in the big sandbox, then don’t be surprised when a bigger kid throws sand in your face and gives you a wedgie.
You think you are so smart will each of us are struggling as to not let the oppoisition or the natural man from ruling it is not a spin it is a fact of life and it if up too good people to over come this with the help of their Lord.
But it seems you don’t care when you speak of such nasty things as.., then don’t be surprised when a bigger kid throws sand in your face and gives you a wedgie.
That is your world not the one I care to venture into but you get off of in that mud hole!
We all have choices and it seems you shown yours FastCoyote!
“We all have choices and it seems you shown yours FastCoyote!”
I have made the choice to be as truthful as possible, to research my positions in depth, and to never give quarter on bedrock principles. Those types of choices tend to make enemies of those who are not very bright, or are sloppy thinkers, so I have resigned myself to being attacked and called mean.
But, I am often thanked for standing up for my positions and for aiding those who have not been given my talents, so it all works out in the end.
...and to never give quarter on bedrock principles.
Not sure what you mean by this?
Exactly.....
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