Posted on 10/04/2007 9:40:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
When Mitt Romney appeared last week (via closed circuit from California) before the Council of Retired Chief Executives meeting in Washington, he faced kindred souls: rich Republicans who had managed big enterprises. Yet the second question from the audience was whether Romney's Mormon faith was hurting his quest for the Republican presidential nomination. He replied that about the only people who brought up his religion were members of the media, an answer that simply is untrue.
Romney is asked about Mormonism wherever he goes. In my travels, I find his religious preference cited everywhere as the source of opposition to his candidacy. His response to the former chief executives that only reporters care about this issue sounded like a politician's tired evasion. Romney was either too obtuse to appreciate his problem or was stalling because he had not determined how to deal with it. Contact with his advisers indicates that it's the latter.
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Really. Were you married in a Church? Do you own your wedding dress? Well by all means don’t pose in it....it doesn’t count....silly!
I think that you have captured the mindset of a substantial subset of the Evangelical Christians. Ironically, they would be more inclined to vote for a "jack" Mormon (a Mormon-in-name-only) than a dedicated Mormon. They don't see Mormons as the threat as much as the LDS Church.
“Since when do we pander to special interest groups?”
Agreeing to not be bigoted or to allow someone their constitutional rights is not pandering to them!
I wasn’t wrong, I was facetious.
LOL, here is a non-mormon telling a former mormon what counts with garmies!
Wrong. One of those stars is on a museum, not a temple. You're intentionally mischaracterizing the use and purpose of the star ornamentations as something occult or evil. It is not and you know it. Stop bearing false witness. That is not was Christians do. Remember?
“Deists also don’t have the history of falsehood, deception and violence that the Mormon church has.”
Mormons do not have a history of falsehood, deception, and violence. They have a history of lies and violence against them. And you, sir, have the distinction of continuing that tradition.
Do you really want all the pentagram pictures posted? How 'bout the moon stone? Get real. The Lord knows you're lying. You'd better think about it
Nauvoo Temple
Salt Lake Temple
Joseph Smith's Jupiter Talisman
Post all the photos you want of star, moon, and sun ornamentation you want. It doesn’t matter as they have nothing to do with the occult except in your twisted mind.
Christians once more commonly used the pentagram to represent the five wounds of Jesus,[1][2] and it also has associations within Freemasonry.
[edit] Religious symbolism
[edit] Christianity The pentagram was used as a Christian symbol for the five senses,[10] and if the letters S, A, L, V, and S are inscribed in the points, it can be taken as a symbol of health (from Latin salus).[citation needed]
Medieval Christians believed it to symbolise the five wounds of Christ. The pentagram was believed to protect against witches and demons.[11]
The pentagram figured in a heavily symbolic Arthurian romance[11]: it appears on the shield of Sir Gawain in the 14th century poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. As the poet explains, the five points of the star each have five meanings: they represent the five senses, the five fingers, the five wounds of Christ,[12] the five joys that Mary had of Jesus (the Annunciation, the Nativity, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and the Assumption), and the five virtues of knighthood which Gawain hopes to embody: noble generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, and compassion.
Probably due to misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians, it later became associated with Satanism and subsequently rejected by most of Christianity sometime in the twentieth century.[11]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has traditionally used pentagrams and five-pointed stars in Temple architecture, particularly the Nauvoo Illinois Temple[13] and the Salt Lake Temple. These symbols derived from traditional morning star pentagrams that are no longer commonly used in mainstream Christianity.[14]
[edit] Judaism
The pentagram was the official seal of the city of Jerusalem for a time.[11]
It is all occultic. Tell me that a guy “translating” plates while hidden under a dishcloth with a rock place inside a hat isn’t occultic!
Sun - Celestial, Moon - Terrestrial, Stars - Telestial. What an occultic bunch of nonsense that has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. Why, you might as well call Harry Potter a Christian story!
As a final note to the saga, when Durham was later asked how he felt about his speech regarding the Talisman, he replied:
“I now wish I had presented some of my material differently.” “For instance, at the present time, after checking my data, I find no primary evidence that Joseph Smith ever possessed a Jupiter Talisman. The source for my comment was a second-hand, late source. It came from Wilford Wood, who was told it by Charlie Bidaman, who was told it by his father, Lewis Bidamon, who was Emma’s second husband and non-Mormon not too friendly to the LDS Church. So the idea that the Prophet had such a talisman is highly questionable." [11]
Not what I said at all n00b. Mitt has his constitutional right to run, and I have my constitutional right to vote for someone else, or not vote at all. You can go pull the lever for Mitty if you wish.
See we all have our constitutional rights. BTW there is no constitutional prohibition against bigotry, discernment, judgment, or even hate. Otherwise you might be a communist. Have at it!
Except for the Bible references you mean.
1 Cor. 15: 40 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
While the Smith family’s belief in astrology can be demonstrated only circumstantially and inferentially, the Smiths left direct evidence of their practice of ritual magic. In addition to the magic dagger, among Hyrum Smith’s possessions at his death were three parchments — lamens, in occult terms — inscribed with signs and names of ceremonial magic... Like the dagger, photographs of these magic parchments have been in print since 1982 (de Hoyos 1982, 4-22; Tanner and Tanner 1982a, 1-3; Tanner and Tanner 1983, 6-9; Salt Lake Tribune, 24 Aug. 1985, B-1).... The dagger may have belonged originally to Joseph Smith, Sr., and the parchments may be artifacts from the time of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.”
In an affidavit published in 1834, William Stafford, one of the neighbors of the Smith family, reported the following:
Joseph Smith, Sen., came to me one night, and told me that Joseph Smith Jr. had been looking in his glass, and had seen, not many rods from his house, two or three kegs of gold and silver,... Joseph, Sen. first made a circle, twelve or fourteen feet in diameter. This circle, said he, contains the treasure. He then stuck in the ground a row of witch hazel sticks, around the said circle, for the purpose of keeping off the evil spirits. Within this circle he made another, of about eight or ten feet in diameter. He walked around three times on the periphery of this last circle, muttering to himself something which I could not understand. He next stuck a steel rod in the centre of the circles, and then enjoined profound silence upon us, lest we should arouse the evil spirit who had the charge of these treasures. After we had dug a trench about five feet in depth around the rod, the old man... went to the house to inquire of young Joseph the cause of our disappointment. He soon returned and said, that Joseph had remained all this time in the house, looking in his stone and watching the motions of the evil spirit — that he saw the spirit come up to the ring and as soon as it beheld the cone which we had formed around the rod, it caused the money to sink.... another time, they devised a scheme, by which they might satiate their hunger, with the mutton of one of my sheep. They had seen in my flock of sheep, a large, fat, black weather. Old Joseph and one of the boys came to me one day, and said that Joseph Jr. had discovered some very remarkable and valuable treasures, which could be procured only in one way. That way, was as follows: — That a black sheep should be taken on to the ground where the treasures were concealed — that after cutting its throat, it should be led around in a circle while bleeding. This being done, the wrath of the evil spirit would be appeased: the treasures could then be obtained, and my share of them was to be four fold. To gratify my curiosity, I let them have a large fat sheep. They afterwards informed me, that the sheep was killed pursuant to commandment; but as there was some mistake in the process, it did not have the desired effect. This, I believe, is the only time they ever made money-digging a profitable business. (Mormonism Unvailed, 1834, pages 238-239)
Like I said....occultic. No word Telestial. If you could read Greek, you would see that the word terrestrial means earth. Celestial means the heavens or the sky above the earth.
Nice try on distorting the Bible. Christians won’t stand for it, you know.
Hang in there, FReeper pal. This is not our home, we’re just passing through.
The most difficult thing is to be bombarded by ignorance and bigotry spewed by minds that are completely closed.
I used to be like that. For me, it was because I had been brainwashed growing up in the Baptist church (Southern Baptist) and later in the Pentecostal Church of God - they preached and pounded the pulpit about how Mormons are evil devils.
Actually, my mother worked in pro life circles and met Mormons in Anchorage Alaska - my Mom was very active in pro life - she told me the Mormons were really good people and she said she felt the presence of the Holy Ghost when they prayed.
I started opening my mind and heart and learned Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is our Savior, that He died for our sins, and that was Heavenly Father’s plan for His children to redeem us.
I love my Church and I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Actually, the words “terrestrial” and “celestial” are derived from Latin — “terra” and “caelum”...
And the word “far” is derived from the root, “tele”....
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