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27% of Republicans Would Vote for Pro-Life Third Party Instead of Giuliani (Proof Rudy CAN'T Win)
Rasmussen Reports ^ | 10-4-07 | Rasmussen Reports

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:38:23 AM PDT by TitansAFC

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To: NKStarr
All polls are showing that he’s the strongest Republican candidate against Hillary.

But as I said, the most current polls show that Hillary is beating him. It's only going to be worse if he gets the nomination. Better for him to bow out and throw his support to a more conservative candidate.

If you really cared about conservatism, you’d at least be open to supporting the candidate most likely to defeat HC

Nope, sorry - can't support a candidate who doesn't see anything wrong with the legalized murder of 1 million babies a year and who wants taxpayer funding of same.

If YOU really cared about conservatism, you'd stop trying to foist a liberal on us and get behind a more conservative candidate.

281 posted on 10/04/2007 1:08:14 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Tarpon
Bloomberg was Hillary Matters “Perot”

Bloomberg is a less masculine version of Hillary. If anything, he was the Republican "perot", since he's take more votes from the Democrat.

Ron Paul is the RP from Texas in this race.

282 posted on 10/04/2007 1:09:57 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I just don't see a libertarian like Ron going hard pro-life.
283 posted on 10/04/2007 1:13:24 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Designer
With ignorance like this, who needs enemies?

I'm sure that made sense in your mind before you typed it.

284 posted on 10/04/2007 1:16:35 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: TitansAFC

1. Hillary does not need Pro-life forces so they are expendible to her.

2. Guiliani Can’t win without pro-life voters UNLESS he replaces them with pro-abortion voters which is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

3. A pro-life based candidate pushed by religious conservatives simply can not win. They do not have the numbers. They MIGHT be able to raise the money but that money will eventually end up in the coffers of the respective charitable groups after the election.

the political reality is we have four top tier viable candidates. Guiliani, Romney, Thompson and bringing up the tail McCain.

McCain is just about done and will be out.

Guiliani is not going to be electable period on any number of formulas.

That leaves us with Romney and Thompson.

With months to the first primary.


285 posted on 10/04/2007 1:18:45 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All; TitansAFC

“The truth is out there....if you weed through the lies from the Rudy911 campaign”

And then we should write an editor’s letter to get the facts out.

I just listened to Rudy’s spin on Hannity’s radio show saying he would pick judges like Scalia, Roberts, Alito, and I think he included Thomas.

But since when do politicians keep all of their campaign promises??

I’m afraid many voters will fall for this, even though Rudy said:

“Presidents, going back to the beginning of the republic, generally appoint people on the Supreme Court that they believe agree with them.”


286 posted on 10/04/2007 1:20:02 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: chaos_5

He doesn’t have to go “hard pro life”, just more so than he is now... which is infinitely more than Guiliani. That’s all he needs to do.

And he will absolutely ease off the anti-war stuff, as to not alienate the disenfranchised pro-life conservatives he’ll be courting.


287 posted on 10/04/2007 1:21:25 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: Strategerist
It’s proof that a Pro-Life third party would be idiotic

Assuming that the purpose of Pro-life party is to demonstrate that a pro-choice Republican can never be elected, then it looks like it is nearlty certain to be successful, with a good candidate.

288 posted on 10/04/2007 1:23:57 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: joonbug

Let me know when you’re ready to discuss the bridge sale.


289 posted on 10/04/2007 1:24:20 PM PDT by penowa
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To: TitansAFC

This is ridiculous. Giuliani could promise to appoint J. Michael Luttig to the Supreme Court and it STILL wouldn’t be enough. Prepare yourself for President Hillary.


290 posted on 10/04/2007 1:25:58 PM PDT by tellw
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Well, there is Fred and he is pro life, so I dont think we will have to worry about Rudy.


291 posted on 10/04/2007 1:27:13 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Paul Ross
Then you already have been rebutted

Nonsense. I commented on the good progress by conservatives in getting a large tax cut thru, which has been extremely instrumental in growing our economy.

Your response? No elimination of the income tax...thus, it's not conservative.

This type of response is typical of idealogues who are found both on the left and right. Pie in the sky types don't get things done in the here and now.

There's plenty of them out there, but they're not really worth debating.

292 posted on 10/04/2007 1:29:06 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Designer

Right, all that money is coming from regular people. You betcha.

I’ll tell you what... I’ll let you borrow some of my tinfoil. Make yourself a pipe and knock yourself out.


293 posted on 10/04/2007 1:29:34 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: what's up
46 to 44 means Rudy can't win?

Yes, for two reasons:

Most of the current polls show Hillary farther ahead of Rudy than just 2 points.

There are a number of social conservatives who just can't bring themselves to vote for someone who is so liberal on the social issues. I'm one of them.

294 posted on 10/04/2007 1:31:39 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Strategerist

Exactly...he’ll be like Senator Joe Lieberman but in reverse. Lieberman was elected by lots of Republicans...


295 posted on 10/04/2007 1:32:34 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: TitansAFC
IF Rudy wins the primary and the social conservatives bolt, they'll be forever independent of the GOP and their influence will be limited to the 12% of the electorate they can muster on their own. Nobody will ever take them in again.

Will it defeat Rudy in the general? Probably. It would probably ENSURE Hillary is the next president.

It will also ensure that the other 70+% of the party never forgets, and will start them down the path of forming a new majority...more easily done without social conservatives than with them.

296 posted on 10/04/2007 1:32:50 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Sun

The DOJ lawyers a person can trust are VERY few and VERY far between.

Guiliani is just a typical promise them anything former DOJ lawyer turned politician. I have met a few I could say are trustworthy but they left the DOJ to go into the PRIVATE BUSINESS/PRACTICE world.

Hillary Clinton is now running as “the incumbant” and she has all that advantage.

Also if we wanted to prevent fraud, we should have been watching the voting machines from day before yesterday. (so to speak)


297 posted on 10/04/2007 1:33:03 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MEGoody
Most of the current polls show Hillary farther ahead of Rudy than just 2 points

Well, then you should have posted one of them rather than the one you posted which shows Hitlery only 2 points ahead with no third party.

Saying someone can't win when their only 2 point behind more than a year before an election is ridiculous.

298 posted on 10/04/2007 1:34:21 PM PDT by what's up
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To: sitetest

Torie is now wideawake, although his account is active.


299 posted on 10/04/2007 1:35:26 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: Jen's Mom
>>>I too find it hard to swallow that the people in the GOP would be that stupid to form a third party thinking they could actually win.

I find it hard to swallow that people in the GOP would be so stupid to support and nominate the liberal Giuliani when all evidence points to guaranteed disaster.

>>>I am rather disgusted the the attitudes of people who are so blinded by their hatred of Rudy that they obviously don't give a rat's patoot that their arrogance is in Hillary's favor.

I am rather disgusted with the attitudes of people who are so blinded by adulation and celebrity that they refuse to acknowledge that Rudy is nothing more than a RAT with an (R) next to his name.

>>>She's banking on the Useful Idiots of the Republican Party to push her over the top. Looks like she outsmarted them again.

Rudy is banking on the Useful Idiots of the Republican Party to support him based on his mythical celebrity legacy and not on his record of liberalism well founded in his public career.

300 posted on 10/04/2007 1:35:45 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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