Posted on 10/04/2007 9:38:23 AM PDT by TitansAFC
You have things backward. Giuliani is far more likely to get liberal legislation passed than Hillary. Liberal legislation promoted by Giuliani will meet no resistance from Republicans while the same legislation would be filibustered by Republicans if Hillary were President.
A Giuliani Presidency would further diminish the number of Republicans in Congress while a Hillary Presidency likely would return the GOP to the majority in Congress.
You don't seem to understand that liberalism had advanced more under George W. Bush than it ever did under Bill Clinton because of the factors I just mentioned. Bush has expanded government at the fastest rate since Lyndon Johnson because Republicans refused to stop socialism pushed by the leader of their own party. We got a balanced budget and welfare reform under Clinton because Republicans took back Congress.
You're batting at least 50%, but I don't think Soros will have to spend a dime to turn off pro-lifers. They already are. But you nailed it on the troll posting by the Rudy/Soros/death cult worshiper, but its a labor of love and for sport, no need for Soros compensation. I read "tos" site for entertainment sometimes when I'm bored, and truly enjoy how much they squabble and trash one another as opposed to their liberal open-minded approach at the beginning. Try it sometime. It's hilarious.
Small potatoes. Where is the Fair tax? Where is the end of the Income tax? Where is the end of the burgeoning Federal Bureaucracy?
WOT success
That is not particularly conservative. That is a neutral. FDR and Truman won WW-II, does that make them conservative? No.
Further, W has a lot of weakness in his war record to account for. The spinelessness in dealing with the war lords of Northern and Western Pakistan, the prosecution of American soldiers because the jihadists and their liberal allies accuse them of atrocities. The ham-stringing of our troops with incredibly frustrating rules of engagement. So don't miscontrue Bush as conservative. He is death to the American Navy (slashing it still further than Xlinton by another 80 ships and 15 subs!), the American AirForce (sabotaging its future, cutting off production of the only air supremacy plane of that future...the F-22. 185 planes won't cut it.) And of our logistics future capabilities, cutting off the Globemaster III production.
.. partial birth abortion legislation
Which remains unenforced, because W will not stand up to the Court's usurpation of all interpretation authority,
no Kyoto involvement
Only temporarily, as W has been proving non-stop since 2005. Pushing for Global Warming beliefs, cowed by his democrat opponents.
no World Court involvement
You mean ICC. Which we are in fact abiding by without signing. Otherwise there is a LOT of WTO subservience by this White House. And he is pushing still MORE with his Law of the Sea Treaty.
very conservative SC Justices named..
Not by choice. But he made a political deal. We saw who he would appoint if he wasn't constrained by we conservatives. Harriet Meiers. "Just Trust Me". The picks have largely been handed to him by an impressive effort by the Federalist Society...something which didn't exist when Reagan was in the White House, but if it had, we wouldn't have suffered through Sandra Day O'Connor, or Anthony Kennedy, and then under HWB, David Souter. We would have had real candidates. And that would have been the end of the Roe v. Wade decision already...and there would not have been any Kelo decision or Michigan affirmative discrimination policy.
NOTHING conservative? Uhhhh...right.
Right.
Reagans majority was razor thin in many important electoral states like CA, NY and FL, which Carter could have won if Anderson wasn’t running. I saw an analysis back then that showed Carter could have had a shot if not for Anderson.
Gore won the most votes but not the oval office because of how the votes fell in key states.
Actually Guliani will have CAUSED Hillary to Win, not the third party-He’s the liberal here, not the “pro-lifer”-the swiftness with which some of you throw out your principles makes my head spin!
Great logic....NOT. Once she’s in she is there for 8 years. Who knows how long this Republic would last.... the terrorists are laughing through their rotten teeth at the thought of a Clinton back in the White House. Pro life would then be an issue of — can we survive being under Muslim rule.
Giuliani has opposed a partial-birth abortion ban, supported taxpayer-funding abortion (even within the last year), has spoken before NARAL and has tried to redefine what a strict constructionalist judge is by saying one could vote to uphold Roe.
He is as pro-abortion as Hillary Clinton.
And, no, large percentage of Christians aren't stupid enough to vote for someone that is open adulterer, pro-abortion and pro-homosexual.
Shockingly enough, many actually care about the issues than getting a Republican elected.
Let them cry all the way back to New York City..for all I care.
Yes.
Some would not like to live in fantasy world and pretend a Republican "communist dictator" is superior to a Democratic one.
Giuliani would do far more damage to conservatism and the nation than Hillary Clinton. Giuliani is far more likely to get leftist legislation passed and will assure Republicans stay in the minority in Congress.
I see the most important issue we are facing as a nation is the war on terror. It it isn't won, we won't have any choices about anything.
I can’t vote for Rudy Toot. It won’t happen.
As a conservative, I will have ZERO influence on Hillary or Rudy. Hillary will be upfront about searching for another Ruth "Buzzie" Ginsburg. Rudy will find one with no apparent record to foist on us just as the Republicans have been doing for my voting lifetime. The results are identical.
Rudy isn't my first choice, but I will be damned to vote for any other candidate than the republican nominee to insure that we do not have another 8 years of the Clintons.
“27% of Republicans Would Vote for Pro-Life Third Party Instead of Giuliani”
Yes I would.
The left is often criticized for their search for a worldly utopia. I think this can be applied to many on the right as well who say that "nothing conservative" has taken place under this Administration. Hint: don't use "always" or "never". Someone will prove you wrong.
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